Johnny Rotten

Do you think Johnny Rotten was right in the following statements:

• Never trust a hippie

• Burn all hippies

Your thoughts please, guys..

Johnny

 

No.

 

What about Jimmy Urine? Was he right when he said:

I love my mommy 'cuz she fucked my dad.

 

I love Jimmy.

So, yes.

 

I thought Malcolm Mclaren said those words.

 

He might of. But Jimmy sang them.

 

Those are commands such as those given by a fascist with the IQ of a toaster oven. Have a nice day

 

I think he was right in the fact that he provoked us to think about it.Neil Young was inspired by Johnny Rotten after seeing rock music stagmate. Johnny breathed some new life into the music exiciting Young who started creating again.Frankly i think they're the same person.

It's better to burn out than it is to rust
This is the story of Johnny Rotten,he may be gone but he's not fogotten...there's more to the picture then mets the eye,hey hey my my
Neil Young

 

John Lyndon (Lydon? don't feel like looking it up) was, and is, a publicity whore. Nothing more, nothing less.

There was a point to be hadthough; but you have to take it in context.

In the 1970's hippies were no longer a potent alternative force. Dispite the anti-war movement they were largely incoherent and not really doing anything new. At the point that the sex pistols had come along the excesses of hippie poserdom (which had always been there, witness zappa's lyrics for examples) had come to dominate the movement. It was no longer a youth (made by and for) movement and was something else to rebel against.

The sex pistols (not punk; punk was --at it's core-- a back-to-basics musical movement) were the opposite of everything; that was their schtick, and it worked for them (until they imploded).

At this point? Kids need to burn the hippies, burn the punks too, throw the goths, the grungers and the gangbangers on the bonfire as well and come up with their own shit.

We're stewing in alternative movments which are generations old; this is a sign of cultural ill-health and we need another johnny rotten to come along and wish us to take our place in history --- that place being the late 20th century!

 

Johnny rotten my friend had no talent and his band of bar rats had no talent. most of them had no idea how to play their instruments. sex pistols were good enough to put one album out, and then they crapped out because they had no idea what they were doing. the clash would kick their asses, and i don't even like the clash. the sex pistols were literally a group who only had a rebellious image and that was it. they were crappy and weren't good.

 

i think the likes of johnny rotten and the rest of the so called anti establishment bunch were anti everything ..they had no real value on life or anything else for that matter ...but thats just my opinion ......

 

Johnny Rotten challenged Mick Jager to a fight inside a Loadon clothing store.

This was the mid-seventies. Johnny had to show he was a tough guy and that the hippies were all poofs. Seems like a long time ago now.

After Vietnam, (1974) the movment lost a lot of steam and diversified tremendously. The use of hard narcotics caused a drag on the creativity of major bands.
The new popularity of disco helped to push aside mainstream rock bands.
Punk arose. Johny was just a cutting edge piece of the movment.

Well The Stones are on a worldwide tour, Sid is dead, whats Johnnie doing ?

 

The hippies were supposed to be anti-establishment as well, you know... abbie hoffman, revolution of 68; all that?

Regarding the stones, you sould read up on how well Keith Richards was known to get along with members of The New York dolls and Patti Smith was influenced by him.

Lennon himself said admiring things about punk and compared the movement to what yoko ono tried to do.

The stones are touring this year, but dear god we wish they weren't....

(this will be my last edit, I swear; just can't let the cheap shot go )

 

They certainly weren't the end-all be-all of punk, nor were they the first (that would be the ramones or going further back to iggy and the stooges); but "never mind the sex pistols" was a good album, better than what the clash were doing at that time (though the clash became better than the pistols fairly quickly).

 

Johnny Rotten: No one fucking cares what Lydon meant....he talked and talked and nothing came out but pretentiousness . Aren't there punk sites galore on the net?

Bitter Pill, can you please size down those photos? They are scewing the entire thread. Thank you.

 

Ok, let me start by saying I'm a huge Pistols fan, but don't let this colour your perceptions of what I have to say.

I agree that none of them could sing/play (except for Glen Matlock, the original bassist), and they certainly wernt the best punk band out there, but at the end of the day they were revolutionary . They inspiried a while generation, musically and otherwise, purely cause they were prepared to do things that other artists would never of dreamed of.

Oh and the Clash DID kick their arse. If you read Johnny's auto-biography, it discribes a fight between himself and Joe Strummer (which Joe won )

 

Interesting story there, Trickster's Child. Another good one is from the book "please kill me" (a great history of proto and early punk, grab it if you can). When the Ramones first went to England they were confronted in an alley by the Clash, who thought that the Ramones were like a real gang and got in their face, saying they were going to be the biggest thing ever. Scared the shit out of the Ramones!

The Clash were great, but because of their pop side ("rock the casbah", ugh) it took me ages to appreciate them.

Even though there were bands that came before them, the Pistols were hugely influencial; and defined how people percive what punk was, I'll agree with you there!

Maggie Sugar, those aren't my posts that the photos are in, so I can't fix them; sorry.

 

The stones haven't done anyhting worth listeing to for a long time. They've completley sold out. I am a fan of the pistols, but johnny rotten's compeltley sold out as well. The clash are way mroe taleneted.