The terrorist Muslims!

I wrote this thread to those who are claiming that Islam encourage the brutal acts! And those who claim that they are doing their brutal deeds in the name of Islam! I already posted this thread in other departments, because I want this message to reach greater number of people, and because the terrorists had done their brutal deeds in the UK recently.

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What Does Islam Say about Terrorism?
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Islam, a religion of mercy, does not permit terrorism. In the Quraan, Allah has said:

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8: Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equal. ​

(Quraan, 60:8)

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The prophet Mohammad (PBUH) even warned that on the Day of Judgment, {the first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed (This means killing and injuring.)}

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The Prophet Muhammad said: {Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise,…}​

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The Prophet was asked, "Messenger of God, are we rewarded for kindness towards animals?" He said: {there is a reward for kindness to every living animal or human.} This saying of Muhammad has been mentioned in more detail on http://www.islam-guide.com/ch3-4.htm#kindness

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The prophet said (PBUH): the biggest of Al-Kabair (the greatest sins) are: (1) To join others as partners in worship with Allah, (2) to murder a human being, (3) to be undutiful to one's parents (4) and to make a false statement or said to give a false witness.​

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In light of these and other Islamic texts, the act of inciting terror in the hearts of defenseless civilians, the wholesale destruction of buildings and properties, the bombing and maiming of innocent men, women, and children are all forbidden and detestable acts according to Islam and the Muslims. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the vast majority have nothing to do with the violent events some have associated with Muslims. If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the laws of Islam.



I challenge every Muslim who claims that he is doing his brutal acts in the name of Islam would give their proofs??? What are their proofs which are supporting their deeds according to Islamic teachings? Every body can claim that they are doing something in the name of whatever. The saying by claiming is easy, but giving proof is hard. I think that we are all mature enough to do not believe every thing has been said We always should make sure by our selves and by searching neutrally

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(For more articles on Islam on terrorism, please refer to the links at http://www.islam-guide.com/more/#Islam-on-Terrorism )



I want to say as a member had said that Moslems are more outraged by the bombings than most because some believe it was done in the name of Islam.

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I am asking (Allah) to protect the UK and all other counties over the world and I am asking Allah too to infect those who intend to do evil deeds with palsy before they commit it whatever they were Muslims or non-Muslims. AMEN. EVREY BODY SAY AMEN PLEASE.

Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Alsalam alaikum, Yeah it is a shambles to think a religion is the key to all this, it's pretty obvious what it boils down to. Power, plain and simple, George Bush, Tony Blair, Osama bin Laden, Saddam hussain, Jack Straw, Dick cha'... the list goes on and on, it's their bloody war, not the innocents. The male ego has managed yet again, to disrupt peace in the real world. They don't even know what its like to live in the reality of this planet amoungst real human beings, they're a bunch of ludacrisly rich and powerful men, who enjoy the protection of a massive gang of mainly poor and working class teenagers who are trained to kill for them, the army has lost all honour for me. I'm not saying that it's not necessary to have one right now, It's that i think if they are willing to kill on command for these greedy manipulative people, they might as well be gangsters. What the hell happened? Greed is the key to this war. It's the key to all wars...it's the 21st century now, and unless we do something to stop all this now, our last years of hoping for a world of peace are drawing to an end. It's time to get serious about the power, we have as human beings to make a difference, stop relying on these greedy facist dictators, they're no good to us, lets drive them out, more innocent people will die at the hands of these men. I'm not just talking about London,Iraq,New york... I'm talking about over the next 1000 years. We don't need them. They have made us think we depend on them, we don't, it's us that run this country not them, all they do dictate. if they're not working towards peace, they should be dragged, kicking and screaming out of power, i can't believe we've let it get this far. Stick them in the desert with a killing gun, tank and faulty boots and let them fight if that's what they want.

Just had to get that off my chest, its really time to do something though, our future depends on it.

 

now its not strickly greed that is fueling this war. its a battle for the last resource of cheap easy fossil fuels. to sustain the modern way of life we need this energy. and everyone in the world knows this and everyone is making aliances and trying to get a share in the last drops of the life blood which has fueled this age.

 

Yup, greedy. You and i know we could live without it if we put our minds to it. Don't be tricked into thinking oil is the only way. Check bouganville, they run their generators and transport on coconut oil. It's also pollution free. We need to be growing more hemp

 

it is true that there are alternatives but these alternatives cannot support the life style which the western world has become depended on. the problem with biofuels is yes they are environmentally sounder in terms of emmisions but it is also true that they take up more energy in the distillation process than the produce as a fuel... your burning fuel to make less fuel. this era is coming to a close. and the world leaders know this. the war for oil is much more than a war for wealth. it is a war to sustain the reality to which we have become accustomed.

don't get me wrong im not for the war at all. i would quite happily slip into the co-op culture of the aquarian age. what i am saying is that the war is far beyond greed,,, it is desparation.

 

Is that true about biofuel? But what about Solarpower? Modern advances in Nano-technology make this a viable source, surely? It's a sad fact that our technology has nearly destroyed the planet, and now, it's only our technology that can save it.

 

not gong to go thru the whole thing surfice to say that this quote is a double negative... if read correctly it says" allah forbids kind and just dealing with those who fought you ect ect."

the faith of islam was born around 615ad as an oposition faith to the idol worship of the mekkah. and pretty much spread itself thru war.
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-history.htm

this would mean that really it fobids contact with anyone as it was at war with most people. and the 400-500ish years later the christians wanted to take back the holy land.. now this is certainly fighting againsth them and so in this case it must forbid dealings with christians.


i could do this for ever with the quaran and the bible.. but the truth is its all a load of complete shit.. orthodox religion has no place in todays society.. it preys on the stupid and weak minded. and certain arab nations seem to be using this as "tackling fuel" for their terror war.

i fail to beleive that if god is an all thinking all seeing personification, he sat thru so many thousand years of humans worshiping the wrong thing before he sent someone to sort it out...

nope hang on he didn't even send anyone.. all i have heard is that some old arab guy claims that an angel came down and told him to write a book... if i claimed that does that mean i get my own religion too.

religions are not spread through people believeing them they are spread by bieng the belief of the conquering force...

i believe the world is waking up..... slowly.

 

we are at a very delicate stage.. balancing on a knife edge... over one side we have to prolonge the inevitableble, on the other we have to pump fuel and resources into finding an alternative... i dont really believe that the latter will pay off... i'm up for trying it, as i say i cant wait till the world is out of energy... with out energy everything becomes local... bring on the aqaurian co-op comunity.. maybe individual comunities with have a few wind turbines and solar pannels but the age of microwaves and blowdriers is coming to an end.

 

I have to say that that sounds awesome. It'll be just like Mad Max!

 

I would imagin the same motivation to join the army is dominant now as it has always been..a way out / defending your country / Family heritage / a challenge / A career etc ... Making it out to be about poor kids and them willing to kill on command for those 'ludacrisly rich and powerful men' is completly unfair and biased to the hilt... How it would be easy for these things to be true..they are not fundementaly. I agree war is about more than is highlighted on either side..but the thing is imho the mighty overpowered the despotic and the weak decieded with help from rich backers (not giving a toss about them really) are suicide bombing everything in site for all the excuses you and many others think this war is about (there rationale)..They are working for peace imho.. what would be your way of doing things .. not on our doorstep not our problem.. kill us and we do nothing ?..

I think if 'we' (being the masses) ran this country there would be public castrations and hangings for child molestors.. and many more scarey things than i really wish to imagine, 'utopia' it would not be...

If this war is about oil it is about sustaining (through oil revenue) that part of the world and its people its economy, international geopolitical stability an 'normal' diplomatic relations .... not for a few texans to get rich.

That would be great for a few million over 6 billion and counting , i very much doubt our economies would last a awful long time.. i think money would just circulate within small pools and progression and too many other things that our societies have got used too (i.e 'free' health care NHS).. who would pay for all of this.. Back to 'medicine men' making us up some 'brew' (i joke).

 

well this is true that it may not work for 6 billion people.. but unfortunately this is the living that the coming age promotes.
in my oppinion all the natrual disasters and the looming 3rd world war has come at a time where it seems only fair to say that it seems a little like cosmic population control. brought on by the death throws of a dying age.

 

Your a optimistic fellow

I do think people should have as many children as they like..but unfortunatly many people in the world because of male dominance and no birth control (because of religeon aka male dominance) many children are brought into the world and unlikely to get past there 3rd birthday because of poverty and famine..(not all the 'our' fault imho)...thats why we have 6 billion and riseing

The rich generaly have less children.. it is the poor that don't and these happen to be the poor blighters that get the get shit upon also..mmmmm aint life a bitch.

 

When i was a lot younger i concidered joining the army myself, to protect everything good about this country, you're right about it being an unfair and biased comment, i must admit i wrote it in the early hours of the morning when i should have been sleeping. I was however only referring to actions in the middle east, not the whole army. I just think the death of over 25,000 iraqis to sustain our way of life is a horrendous decision for our leaders to make. They used the honour of our fleets to see it through, surely you think this isn't justified. what would i do? listen to the UN for a start. Not kill innocents under any circumstance. And only draw troops together in defence. I would be putting all the money spent on bombs and bullets into renewable resources, wind, water and solar power are the way forward, it can't cost much to refine other oils, if a small tribe in bouganville can do it with no corporate help, surely we can learn something from them.
I think you miss understood me when i said "we run the country", i think that the only power we have at the moment is the will to vote for who they choose for us, why have one party running it? why not vote for every decision we make as a nation? i'm sure if this had have been the case, there wouldnt have been an invasion by our troops, and yes, i do believe this would have saved all those lives lost in London and of course our soldiers, and many Iraqi's. I knew the sister of a soldier from Stafford who had lost his life, called David Clarke, he joined the army to fight for freedom, i bet he's turning in his grave. Look at the state of it, they've turned the idea of the united nations into a joke, and i can't say I'm in the slightest bit amused. It scares me to be honest. But then i am pussy living under a wooly blanket, scared for the masses. *shivers

 

Well, let's be clear about this... we don't live in a democracy... not as originally established by the greeks... we live in a parliamentary bastardisation... the illusion that, if we put a cross on a piece of paper every five years, we have the power... which is bollocks... and there is no point is thinking that the government actually give a toss about falling electoral turnouts... the point of pwer is not necessarily to remain in power... it is to ensure that the processes of power remain intact and out of our hands...


Fly...

 

i dont think not joining in with the war would have prevented a bombing.... i dont think spain was invovled in the war.. and madrid got bombed...
there seem to be a lot of different groups blowing shit up for different reasons. so even if we hadn't have joined in the war we would have been bombed just for being an alli to what is percieved to be western imperialism.

 

The-most-prominent-people-within-the-anti-war/pro-peace-movement-in-yorkshire-are-muslims....I've-worked-closely-with-them-in-the-past...

Western-Foreign-Policies-suck-big-time...we-all-know-it....No-one-with-half-a-brain-thinks-that-more-murder-is-the-key-to-resolution-though.

Hmm..not-sure-what-the-relevence-of-that-was-but-meh

 

of course they are... its a war in there home land.. of course they're gonna try and stop it more prominantly than any1 else.

 

homeland?...hmm,you're-believeing-the-hype-me-thinks.

Yorkshire-is-very-multi-cultural...and-believe-it-or-not....we-all-get-on-very-well-thankyou

My-muslim-friends-consist-of-1st/2nd-and-3rd-generation-pakistanis-and-also-white-english-as-far-back-as-they-can-remember-and-jamacans

muslim's-aren't-just-from-Iraq....it's-a-religion-not-a-colour/country

 

oh man, Spain was involved. They tried to cover it, the force they sent over was only 1,300 men. Ex Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar was basically forced to resign after he tried to blame the spanish IRA, The ETA, for the bombings, when more and more evidence came through, eg, a tape playing in a van found next to busy station playing the words of the koran and forensic evidence(?), they kicked him out of power for his involvement with the burning bush of babble on, GWB. Even though the Spanish army sent over were in small numbers, it was noted that they wore 'Cross of St James of Compostela' on their shoulders, a medievil saint who led Christian fighters against muslims. This saint is also known as the "the moor killer", it didnt sit well with extremists in the holy city of najaf. Madrid is known to have a high population of British holiday makers and emmigrants as well, It's all speculation and spoon feedings from the media at the end of the day. I don't know what to believe, I just have a hunch that the bombings have a link to the war. What else could it be?

 

I can't believe the paranoia now prevelant in this country. We're turning into America and I'm terrified