The Qur'an lies about the Trinity!

the trinity was created by the nicean council.

 

You are a very clever kid, but will the christians ever accept this historicaly preserved event as true?

 

Islam needs to go, its the only way to put an end to the Islamofaschists. Who are no worse than the Nazis.

 

yogsogoth Al-subuzneth Beelzebub

fnorgd cthuhlu.

 

No, too bad. But it's not that bad.

Though I think the oneness of God is a very very very important concept and I don't see what we 'gained' by introducing the trinity.

 

Christian, what does that mean?
Kiss, I didnt know you were christian(it says other in ur profile), always thought you were like agonostic or something.

 

Poe's works. Edgar Allen Poe. You can find them online at Project Gutenberg, along with many other books (including several translations of the Qu'ran, although it's listed under the title "The Koran").

http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/p

Poe is approximately 2/3's of the way through the page.

 

cabdi - he's actually quoting LOVECRAFT if I remember correctly - a pulp horror novelist from the early part of the 20th century who wrote imaginative stories about an entire pantheon of horrible deities and the monsters that worship them....

Chief amongst them the Lord of the Universe being the blind, mad, insane and stupid Azathoth. The black trickster God Nyarlathotep, the octopus-headed bat-winged great Cthulhu lying in suspended animation in the deeps of the sea, Dagon and Hydra the largest and greatest of the Deep Ones - as well as Fungi from Yuggoth (Pluto), the Hounds of Tindalos who travel sideways through time, etc. inventive stuff. Ruled the horror genre - he basically "open sourced" his universe and invited others to write about "that nameless, gibbering horror, whose appearance I cannot.... I MUST NOT.... remember!!!!" etc. That's why King was so refreshing when he came on the scene, writing about the here and now rather than some dusty tomb somewhere. But Lovecraft's vision was of the human race being this lone outpost of good and decency in a hateful uncaring universe filled with deities of incredible malevolence and alien races with fantastic power and even less conscience.

Also central to the Mythos (as it came to be called) was the notion of the (fictitious) Necronomicon - a book of blasphemy and black magic written by the Mad Arab Al-hazred - and various incantations in non human languages such as "ia! ia! Cthulhu f'taghn!" etc.

Yog-sothoth was another of his creations.

It's interesting to note that several groups of people have actually taken up the Cthulhu mythos pantheon as legitimate Gods, even though they admit that the religion is deliberately invented and that they have found the worship of fictitious Gods to give them something in their lives. Absolute and outrightly horrifying to a Muslim, naturally! I'm not suggesting Christian is one of these - just pointing out that the inventiveness of Howard Philips Lovecraft even extends to faith these days.

 

You're right.

People need to learn to take spiritual dumps.

 

Well, officially I'm a christian. But right now I don't really know what I am Guess I have to keep searching...

 

Dudes, please. Catholic churches are houses of idol worship, plain and simple.

 

I truly wonder what Christ would say if he saw what happens inside these churches. It makes me suprised to see a people follow what their fathers did and what their priests tell them instead of following the one they claim to follow(that is the Christ).

 

Yes, sad, but true, you talkin' 'bout catholicism,eh? But it also depends which country you're in. In America, for instance, they've got a wider range of churches than in Germany, where AT LEAST 90% of Churches are Lutheran/Catholic, followed by Baptist (maybe 2%...). The others are extremely rare...

 

No I was talking about churches in general acually. I mean, the first thing to notice is the huge naked guy who is on a cross (I believe call this person Christ though I cant see how he could be blond and blue eyed, which reminds me of a a greek pilospher(perhaps Xenofanes??) who said that: The africans paitnt their gods as black eyed and big nosed while the europeans as blonds and blue eyed, and he said: If an ox could paint it would draw its god looking as an ox) who is either in statue or in picture inside most churches Ive ever seen. Prayer differs from church to church but its almost always followed by some sort of music, where in the words of christ do you find that kind of prayer?

The man prostrated in complete submission and asked forgivness from his lord while (many of) the catholics ask their priest for forgivness and the protestants Ive met dont even seem to bother as they are "already saved".
Ever since the pauline church became dominant to the Jersualem church which was led by James the church lost its Jewish orgin and slowly came farer and farer away from the orginal message. Its usually said that if Siddharta Gautama would return and see what happend to buddhism he wouldnt be all suprised while if Christ would(and we will) return he would indeed become angry to say the least.

 

i agree 100% with the Anglo-Saxon depiction of Jesus, well , with basically any depiction of Him...we have no idea what He looked like, and well, i see creating them as going against the 2nd Commandment

about the forgiveness, the practice is different in the 3 main factions of Christanity...Catholics confess to an ordained minister, which i think stems from the diciples of Jesus given the authority to absolve the sins of the faithful...

with Eastern Orthodoxy, a person still confesses to God, but in the presense of an "elder". This is from the early Christain practice when they would publicly repent to God, and then the believers they were with would announce the forgiveness... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church#Mystery_of_Repentance i might have missed some important stuff, so here is the link i got it from if anyone wants to check it out...

With prodestants, when they confess, well at least when i do [im not really a prodestant, im not really anythign], i ask the Father to forgive me through His mercy, cause it is through His mercy alone that we can enter heaven [this is an Eastern Orthodoxy belief]...i think i was gonna say somethign more...

 

I am glad someone pointed this out.

The Trinity was created by the Nicene council as a means to unite Pagans and Christians. The Pagans refused to worship merely one God, thus, by declaring that the Godhead was triune, Paganism and Christianity could coexist in one empire.

 

lol, I understand that the Islamic and Christian doctrines differ completely, So let's see:
"Prayer differs from church to church but its almost always followed by some sort of music, where in the words of christ do you find that kind of prayer?"

If I understand this correctly, you don't know of any ritualistic prayers that Christ gives you- like the one you do 5 times a day after a cleansing ceremony/ritual...
If this is not what you meant correct me...

Anyways, our answer to that is plain and simple: There are no ritualistic prayers, except maybe the Our Father which Jesus gave as an example (many do it once a week, but it's not required unless God puts it on their heart.)
In fact, the Bible gives us no rituals at all! There are no rituals, only faith, and obediance.

I hear that alot by Muslims...

I'm not protestant, I'm not Catholic, not even Orthodox, I'm a Christian, a plain, simple, Christian!

Yes, Christ is probably realy upset about the lack of unity, but before the day of Judgement comes we will be completely united. It's already starting though.

The point is to be just Christian, and not strictly part of some denomination, that's religion. Eventhough I prefer Non-denominational/pentacostal churches,
You could stick me in a Baptist Church, you could stick me in a Lutheran, a Methodist, or even a Catholic Church, and I couldn't care less.

And BTW: there's a type of Church that's probably the most like the Jerusalem one...
it's called Messianic. Which is a Church (or synagogue, whatever one prefers...) founded by Messianic Jews, like Peter was!
Jews...that believe in Y'shua! ^^

 

I agree, the 'trinity' comes from the paganistic, making it seem like three Gods connected.

But I believe you do agree that the Holy Spirit, Jesus, and The Father are all one. Displayed differently from the Paganistic God.

Pagan Trinity: 3 Gods United in one. like 3 people holding hands together. Or a chain made up of three parts.

Christian 'Trinity': One God united in 3. Like 1 person having 3 hands. Or an Egg: The Shell, the white part, and the yellow part...yet still one egg.

I was only trying to point out that Mary isn't part of either. ;P

 

wel technically the Bible gives has quite a few rituals, given the Old Testament

but yes, the "Lord's Prayer" is the only prayer Jesus says to give, He also says that when you pray, you should lock yourself in your closet, which i guess could be consiered a ritual if you wanna get all technical about it