Eco-Village, Anyone....

Here's what I'm all about and what my initials (FTNW) stand for.....

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NAMASTE

Great site.Looks like it is taking off great.Things should be rolling soon with it.

 

Looks cool!

 

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looks awesome!!

 

Thanks for the kind words!! I appreciate it a lot!!
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We just re launched the site so it's kind of slow now but hopefully things will pick up soon!!
What do you guys think about an Eco-Village in Hawaii? Land is cheapand , well, the weather is good also!!

 

NAMASTE


I lived i Maui for a year and still have friends there that are trying to get land.Never seen land cheap there.The big island you are looking at $40,000 to $60,000 for an acre.In Maui it is alittle cheaper but not by much.There are a few farms who are selling shares that start at $25,000 for an acre on there farms but are realy picky on what you put on the land and were it will be.I have herd there are people who bought land many years ago who are selling now but you are still looking at around $250,000.What area FTNW are you looking at there???I am sure there are cheaper ones but they are hard to find and are getting smaller in numbers each year.Though not being there for awile i am not as up on it as i was years ago.The cost of living there is high and i could only afford to live there a year myself before i left.If You go to the Intentional Communitys web site at http://ic.org/ there you will find some communities there and get a real feel for prices.Allso a great way if that is were you and others are looking to get a feel for things there.I am sure you have been there so you know how nicw the area is.For myself i seen how hard it was for the native hawiians to own land that i pulled out off there.Plus what little land ther is i did not want to be another white man going there and buying what little is left from those who grew up there and have to deal with all the newcomers buying everything in sight.Most beach areas are own by Hotels and that does not sit well with those who grew up there and know even can not go to those areas without being a guestSounds nice though and if spirit moves you there then it was ment to be.

 

I was following a group called Big Village that was trying to get an eco-village up in Hawaii, according to them land was really cheap but they were having trouble getting people to invest. The main guy did get several acres but the lack of interest had him give up.
We have been in contact and I may be able to pull something off soon, wheather or not it happens in Hawaii or not is yet to be seen. If enough people get together and are highly motivated for this to happen it will.

 

NAMASTE


With enough people and energy it will happen were ever you go.
I went to the communities web site and there is one that the buy in was not too bad in fact realy good for the area.I think it was in Maui but i would have to relook.Ether way they would like to see a vegan community that would sustain itself.Now there that is not realy hard to do.There are many things a group can do to raise money.Keep us posted.I hope you did not think i was putting a negative vibe for Hawaii.In know way was that what i was trying to say.Just Hawaii has one of the hightest land prices in the U.S. as say for southern Oregon were 40acres can be bought from $14,000 to $30,000 that was all.Sounds like it is realy rolling for you all and i am sure from what it sounds like that it will come together for you.

 

There is a community village in Dorchester,NH. It sits on 150 acres and cost $15 a week & 26 hours of work at the community to stay. You can stay 1 week, 1 month, or 1 year....whichever you choose. I haven't stayed there yet but the website looks great and I just rode by there today and would love to spend time there.

www.dacres.org

 

Looks good!
For FTNW we are looking at something similar to Zendik Farm but more active in politics. The vision is to create an Eco-Village of artists, musicians, healers and good people and to have sort of a retreat and other programs that can raise funds needed to research, introduce and win special issue ballot measures designed for progressive social change.
Zendik Farm has accumulated millions of dollars and if we could set up a place similar like having road warriors and selling our art and having a retreat we may be able to raise enough money to protect our states rights while introducing new laws that hold the system responsible......

 

I've seen a lot of communities that claim to
be ecovillages.

And indeed, they all take very good care of their
land.

The problem is that they all have a whole bunch
of manufactured stuff: vehicles, tractors, rototillers,
sound systems, solar and wind power systems,
chainsaws.....

They take good care of their _own_ land, but don't
give a tinker's damn what is done to land anywhere
else to make their lifestyles possible.

Unless one of the corporations they rely on wants
to build a mine or factory or refinery or dam in THEIR area,
then they freak out.

So they don't really have ecovillages at all
What they have created is an illusion.

Sorry, but this looks like just another plan to create
another psuedo-ecovillage.

If you want to live out in the country, then just do
it. There's no need to pretend you are doing something
progressive. Your life belongs to you.

LIttlefoot

 

I completely understand where you are coming from Littlefoot. The manufacture of many "GREEN" products does pollute the land. I began to agree with primitivism for a while, but I'm leaning towards some type of happy medium, atleast until I form more relationships with like-minded people.

Appropriate technology is a term that I've been pondering. There is a point where the amount of fuel necessary for cooking or warming an "all natural" stove is inefficient. So, using a minimal amount of energy such as required for solar ovens, or rocket stoves becomes appropriate. Glass for passive solar technologies also fits in as appropriate technology in some situations.

Certianly, to live as a hunter gatherer in the most suitable climate is the way to take the least amount of resources from the environment and pollute less. Nevertheless, we can not all live in such a way.

I'm only debating this, and not arguing this. I have no one else to discuss these issues with. Thanks for your time.

 

yah ... usually one does have to use the systems tools to get started.... what happens after you get it up and running can become very different.

Intent is something that is so powerfully held that it bursts into reality because of the Need that the person has to see it manifest...to make this work, while 1 accepts change, the intent must remain a focus and work must be done to bring it into the realm of possibility.

Intentions on the other hand are what people talk about but seldom do anything about. And most have good intentions - while few follow up on them.

For those with Intent.....there are people of like mind and opportunities out their....keep your Intent impeccable - and Become that which you wish to Be.

 

Littlefoot

"The greatest fine art of the future will be the making of a
comfortable living from a small piece of land."

-- Abraham Lincoln

 

I hear there is quite abit of cheap land in Colorado... may be cold but beautiful and alot more acsessable than Hawaii. If you do get this village rolling I'd love to take part... I can help building earth-ships, doing any kinda dirty work, brainstorming, and a little bit of finanical help aswell. I'm experienced in organic gardening.... It'd be lovely to live in a all green eco village with friendly musicans, artists and just beautiful souls ... Keep in touch or PM me please

 

Land in southern Oregon is not cheap... eastern Oregon on the other hand is probably very cheap. And with CO, it's probably the same... expensive where you'd want to live and cheap where you wouldn't want to live.

You can't set up a community on just any random patch of land, especially if you plan to grow food and such. A water source is absolutely a must, and there are chances you'd be able to dig a well, but that isn't cheap and you'd probably need machinery.

-Mike

 

what i was saying previous in this thread as I also addressed the point that unfortunately so many of those talking (and 3 fingers point back at me pointing to them) when it come to the doing are nowhere around instead they are off speaking of other intentions that alas will seldom bear fruit save more warming by hot air.
hey been there done that but one of the things of age is that you have less time to do and more time to think and look and See.

so i started off thinking well I have the ideal land...not quite in the ideal spot; but nature and the land and energy more than make up for that...let others know and while some visited, most shied away from all the work. Don't blame them, I felt so overwhelmed that I overextended on equipment and now have about 3 more years to go at my low end income (ahh but self employed) to get out of debt....gotto love (Not) them credit card companies.

Any way when few are present, equipment does make it happen .....but alas forgot 1 ingredient....money...ach back to the drawing board...(just the taxes low $ just increased 300% to $4,000/yr...for almost 200 a.) almost are too much and keep me trying to build without the materials money buys.

but then until a NP (non-profit) any improvement (their [ptb] word) increases the taxes and is almost positively not ready to be approved by the rules of zoning and building codes....ahh but temporary movable buildings ...yah they can skate round all them regulations ....so until the NP and the taxes do not go up for permanent buildings, we look to the community center as the only "legal" bldg.

so why do I write this....we do not advertise nor solicite for memebers and demand sweat and long probation ..you see we look for those who will really be here and Work..and most important are of like-mind Spirit playing the foremost role for all of us. And are not willing to settle for less.

hah and we been here since hipforums was in diapers: old crone, moving cloud, and the growling oldwolf; we even all be <shudder> super moderators ...in a flash able to leap....er see deep into the Beings and doings of others and having the power to ban ahahahah; and as long as that is, sheeit how many years over 7, seldom do we speak of what we do...just enough so that many here know vaguely of us,,,,you see we be Fey now that's a word that means more than the dictionary might tell you...so close to spirit that sometime we are not too "here" even as we Live in the Now rather than expectations (long since dropped for lack of happening)and desires ....well spirit has a way of showing you how attachments hold you back...not help you to grow.
No I write to let you see what is in front of you and to growl at you all for talking way longer than you need; for Now my friends is the need to step to and Do ..NOW !
for the changes hahaha they are here and even as I am not ready....damn we be so much further along than so many. not a brag but a warning, talking while communication Is necessary is like a boss used to say...Is it done, don't want to know your reasons it ain't ...is it done...if you can't talk and work at the same time we's appreciate your quiet ...thank you. Yah we can even learn (...if we let ourselfs) from our bosses....who are just fellow Waysharers.


ok ok so damn this is my yearly rant


don't let me say I told you so...get to cracking youngsters (heheh can say that now) or you'll be caught with your pants down round your knees unable to keep your balance and not prepared for what comes
course then the only real preparation is a state of mind...but that too comes from stepping up and being and doing ...not just a flappin, got to spread them wings and fly, step into that abyss, be the fool, and put it on the line without the glitter of the world. for only in doing do we come to a mindset that teaches us to adapt and improvise ...sorry but you see talking just don't do it.....communication makes it so as you can work together but the basis is still the WORK.

hey it's only life..and sure your time is unlimited so why worry ...be happy ...but god damn it, with all of that ...DO too


oooowee what wound my clock


have a good one

and remember you all
Blessings along the Way ...Are the lessons Learned

Ok you master procrastinator get back at ....oooo yessir yessir ...ya see one of the things that make it all easier is the ability to laugh with yourself.

Namaste

 

Yep. That's a genuine rant.



Howdy oldwolf.

Littlefoot

 

Well. Where did this guy run off to?

I guess the mention of a plant-based lifestyle freaked him
out.

A lot of people fancy themselves to be radicals, but when it
comes down to making a radical change in their own lives,
like something as basic as dietstyle, they freak out.

This is how one weeds out the psuedo-radicals.

Using animal products leaves an ecological footprint
at least a hundred times larger than using plant
products, all other things being equal and on
the average.

And the primary concern of any real radical
in these times is the environment

Know what the main difference between a heroin addict
and an animal-foods addict is?

The junkie knows he/she is an addict.

Littlefoot