Seeds vs. Cloning

IMHO
Any grower with much experience growing indica dominate strains,knows they can be sexed at 3 weeks and these have been on 18/6 ever since. Not really even that indica dom, you can see the columbian in her. This is a batch of ten, 8 turned female, I used a backward hermie for the father.These are F1 generation. yes i know that means filial first. Meangreen suggested using the backward hermie a year ago.Thanks mean.
I have 6 other crosses from the dad. It was chocolatexhashplantxhogsbreath.
Most growers i know make thier own strains from imported beans. I have never bought a seed in my life, and only one clone cause i just had to try romulan.
here are my five week old sexed beauties. Some test crosses reverting too.
and a couple at 3 weeks already being sexed.
Also My original TW and sour diesel moms in veg.The true TW has been clone only for 20 years.

 

Thanks All....

Quite the learning experience here.

And pardon my ignorance, but what does "selfed" mean, and by "hermie" I guess that means hermaphrodite? So okay...this means that a plant coming from a non-germinated female plant is going to be screwed up?

TKS

 

Females that sport some male flowers and in turn pollinate itself (selfed).

 

And plants from these "selfed" seeds produce a HIGH likelyhood of hermaphrodites, right?

(And this is not good, right?)

TKS

 

OK THIS IS MY EXPERIENCE with this.
If you take the pollen from the random hermie- what you would "self" the plant with.
This pollen dusted on a normal female will produce all female seeds.
But if you try using the same metod on the next generation- you may lock in hermie traits. Selving is Really not a preferred method for most breeders, yes you can cause hermies to come about. It really is only good for one generation.
Also, the manner in which you cause your female to random pollenate has a lot to do with it. Stress from light leaks or heat or whatever can cause stressed pollen- which is more likely to cause hermies in subsequent generations.
A choice male is the best bet for breeding. Selving is when you cannot produce a male -no matter what ,that will match your female.IMHO
I have a selved strain that I refuse to plant, I got enough problems without having to deal with hermies.

 

Thanks.

My next batch of clones are going to have to be better taken care of. When I've pulled the dead clones up...(that grew up a foot and then died)...I see that the root system was very minimal. This is the problem I think I'm seeing regarding why the clones aren't growing with the same vigorous leaf, branch, etc., growth that the mother plant did.
I must have used too much regular NPK ferts, and not enough root stimulant ferts. Also, they might have moved into the veg. room too soon and would have been better off under fluorescents longer.

Anyone with excellent knowledge of cloning, ferts for cloning, etc., please jump right in with a comment.

TKS

 

from what I have found
both seedlings and clones respond well to a bloom formula for the first week, or even two. Then switch to a veg formula, also superthrive will help immensely.At any stage, he he he.They should be under flouro for 3 weeks or more....

 

Thanks tiedye...

I really think that must have been the problem. The roots on these clones are nowhere near as developed as my seed starts, but they "took off" growing upwards and put on too many early leaves...which seemed to stress the respiration rate...and then would die at around a foot or so tall.
I even cut the leaves in half...like the books show...but that only saved a few, not all.

I'll look for some SuperThrive.

Also, does the same thing apply when I take new clones off whatever plant I decide to be the new mother? ie; thick, lower branches with good nodes, etc.?

TKS

 

Hermis procreate hermis. No consiencious breeder, with an agenda to further improve on a strain or genetics in general, would ever use a naturally herm to further propogate.
Femenized seeds are NOT made with plants that are stressed into hermophradism.
Hermaphrodism is a dominant trait in cannabis. you might be able to cover it up in an f1 through hybrid vigor, but subsequent generations will really tell you what the breeder was up to.
The key to improving drug strain cannabis lies in "Recessive" males. Shanti uses them, Nevil used them and Sensi still uses them.

 

Any mj "can" be forced to show it sex at 3 weeks. That doesn't mean it is prudent. Mj is not sexually mature at 3 weeks. ie you aren't sexing "naturally" at 3 weeks from seed.

 

Cannabis Indica from high mountainous regions has been grown for centuries in a 3 to maximum 4 month growing season. Hindu Kush for example..
A strain that comes from a 3 month long growing season will naturally sex at three weeks, without stressing it.
My male showed sex at three weeks outdoor- I put it in 12/12 because i need to use it for breeding. No stress there.
cannabis sativa however, will not even think of showing sex until 3 to 5 moths old.
Dude I been growing landrace strains for 30 years or more.
I still learn all the time though, teach me something I dont know, instead of picking on what I believe to be my honest opinion that im entitled to.
The growers I do know make thier own seeds/strains.
S0me autoflower at birth without ruderalis genes in them.

 

This is mostly from seed here.
The crazy looking sativa dom in the bottom right hand corner is Original Train Wreck from clone. The original wreck has been clone only since the 80's...