I am a person with tolerance and patience, but when it comes to people who judge me by my military haircut and automatically brand me as a baby killer thats when tolerance and patience hop in the back seat. I was home on leave around new years and was out with my friends at a bar when some kid came up to me and asked if i was in the military. I simply replied yes sir even though the kid was probably younger than I am. Then he asked me what does it feel like to be a baby killer? Now if he is reading this sorry pal and I hope I didn't knock your teeth out with I punched you in the face. Just because I'm in the military that makes me a baby killer? Ok, I'm stationed in North Carolina and will be here for the rest of my 4 year enlistment. I was lucky enough to one of the few Marines on base to have what they call station orders meaning "non-deployable," which also means I'M NOT GOING TO IRAQ, or KILLING BABIES! before anyone decides to ask a servicemember that question choose your words carefully and wear a mouth guard.
Good job, hoober. I know the feeling. I was in BDUs for all of the 80s and half of the 90s and no one called me a babykiller until about 8 months ago. I was a linguist, a REMF, a JAFO for piss sakes. Fuck em.
Wait until Mui reads this story. He'll probably call you a Baby Killer all over again, and a whole lot worse. He's all big & brave like that when he's behind a computer.
i thought that the baby killer thing was just vietnam. don't people realize this is a different war, similar, but still different. i haven't heard anything about soldiers killing villages of people in iraq.
It pissed me off that the tool said that to me not even knowing me, and to the fact that he doesn't know everything thats going on over there. Thats not what we do or what we are about. Yeah it sucks that innocent people have died, thats the downside of war. DON'T EVER come up to a serviceman if you don't even know him and say what that idiot said, especially to a Marine.
I think that you probably came across a mixture of passion, nievity, and inexperience that lot's of young people have. They don't realize that people in the military don't get to sign up for what paticular wars they want to participate in. Our soldiers didnt sign up for the war in Iraq, they signed up to defend our country. They go where their leader says. In a war I feel was unjustified I feel for our soldiers over there as much as I do for the citizens Iraq. No one wants to go to a violent place in an unfamiliar culture where no one speaks your language and your enemies look just like everyone else on the street. No one wants to leave their families and friends not knowing if they will ever be back. But just because that kid didn't practice some understanding (or much thought at all, it seems) doesn't mean that you should respond the same way. Punching him in the face probably didn't help him come to any understanding, and probable dove him farther away from it. And possible a numberless others he may tell the story to. He coulda gone away with a completely fresh, more positive view of the military, and spread that around to his buddies as well. What kind of example you set for the American military is up to you, ya know.
That kind of thing pisses me off. Nobody has the right to judge you for being in the military; I hope you got a good punch on him.
WTF!!? Some the coolest old school hippies and stoners I've known were Vets. I think if you see a Vet especially one just back from Iraq you should shake their hand and tell them you are glad to see them home alive.
For a dirty look? I think you may be overreacting (just maybe). Maybe if you told the kid your situation or your side of the story instead of punching him in the face, he would have realized he was wrong. I'll give you 100 to 1 he hates the military more than he did before. So what did you accomplish? The part of your ego that was supposed to satisfy obviously remained hungry, so you felt the need to come get support here, or maybe even looking for more fights from hippies? Ah, critical thinking...
Got To Agree With BooBoo On This One...81, If I Was In Your Shoes, I Think I'd Have Just Felt Sorry For The Kid~I Can't Imagine What It Must Be Like To Be So Closed~Minded That You Would Make Such Mis~Guided, Judgemental, Cruel Statements To Someone...Without Your Mind Kickin' In Trying To See All Sides. I Am Sorry Folks Are So Harsh...Karma
I just love it when people mention me in threads I never even bothered to join... and make broad arrogant assumptions about what I think !!! Such ignorance is bliss!!! I dont even remember talking to you once... What the fuck is your problem? If you got a problem with me, PM me... or give me (another) bad rep... dont need to insult my character when I'm not around... coward. Hey you know what they say... dont assume... or you'll... yea you know the rest... I have how many friends in the military? 3-4? How many of them are going to iraq or are in iraq right now? 2... and im not even counting all of the national guards I have as friends... So maybe you shouldnt jump to such assumptions. Im not trying to act tough... im standing up for my beliefs... every time i speak... u expect me to just shut up and silence myself? I thought that is what made this country great... that we can say whatever we want... if standing up for myself makes people think im "tough" thats not my fault... ill be the first person to admit that im a str8 up pussy, devoted pacifist sense I was like 12... and ive never been in a fight in my life... and I dont intend to.. Without a doubt, any military guy could kick my ass or kill me if he'd wanted. Who is the real man trying to act tough? The man who states his views on the internet or a man who resorts to violence the moment he feels he is being offended, than rushes to the internet for support from his friends and reassurance that his actions were the right ones... Im not the one trying to act like a big-tough hardass... im not nearly as tough as any of you military guys... that is obvious... You don't get toughness by sitting on y our ass making websites and learning programming languages... thats for sure props to friends for pointing out this thread... talking shit about me when im not there to defend myself is rather lame... not just lame but disrespectful and stupid. especially coming from someone who I dont recall ever having a single conversation with who has 19 posts. I think the guy who called him a baby killer was equally as wrong as the guy who got called a baby killer... obviously it is wrong to call someone a baby killer without knowing them or their position or why they joined the military... but punching them is an idiotic response... a very immature and childish response... to a very immature and childish person to begin with... but comments like the guy should have been killed I cant help but shake my head with disgust at... there are some sick fuckers in the world today... The military man needs to understand what makes a person say such things about them, and the person who said those things needs to learn what makes a person join the military... if we could understand eachother we could solve things without being idiots and fighting eachother all the time (but we dont like to solve things diplomatically, we like to rush to fighting) I dont think military men deserve to be insulted unless they are assholes who get off on violence. I dont think people who dislike military men deserve to be insulted or beat or killed... i can see both sides of the argument. I think people need to learn to react to eachother in real life situations more intelligently. I dont think either of you displayed any level of intelligence, given what was said in this post. Just because I dont glorify those in the military doesnt mean I demonize them... im rather neutral, its a sticky situation. I have met some people in the military who I have the utmost respect for.... Other people in the military I have the utmost disrespect for... It is not about whether or not someone is in the military so much as it is how they carry themselves and act... and the reasons for joining the military in the first place. Acting like such a child on both sides of the argument will only make things worse... I dont know the situation at hand exactly... all I have is what is said on this post... i would like to hear the other persons perspective on what happened... but regardless, according to what i've heard on this post.. Both of you did a shitty job at expressing your beliefs.. No sorrow, no pity, no assurance or respect for either of you... You are both adults if you are in a bar... act like one. Being in a bar is no excuse to go into a drunken stup0r.
.......people who call soldiers baby killers indiscriminatly are idiots and I have often said idioc should hurt, horribly...... horribly horribly, on the other side though many civilians are dying, and not all the soldiers over there went with good intentions, I know of people who went over hoping to get to shoot someone..... there are people who with my base capabilities I am unable to describe how bad they are on both sides, but they are after all on both sides, likely proportionatly....... it's a terrible thing, but that is the human world we live in....... and if someone calls you a baby killer again maybe you have a chance to make your case, don't get angry, get absurdly reasonable.....
Bull. Calling someone a baby killer is certainly not an excuse for that, and I can't think of anything (within the realm of speech) that would be. If there's a chance to educate someone, why not? If you spoke your thoughts to people instead of meeting stupidity with stupidity, the world would be a better place. Actions like those of the serviceman in question, on the other hand, make the world a worse place. There is never a time to be unreasonable. If he had attacked you physically, your actions would have been reasonable, but he called a baby-killer. He called you a name. Waa.
Maybe. Then there's the possibility, which I think is a bit higher, that he uses that to back up his argument that military people are violent baby killers. I somehow doubt this kid (kid!) saw the light and realized he was wrong to stereotype the military when he got punched in the face. Unreasonable is, by its nature something that we should never be. If you can keep your cool in a situation like that and be reasonable (which is how everyone should always be), you are a better man than the poster.
That guy may have been obnoxious, but he wasn't completely wrong. Anyone who works, pays taxes, or for that matter doesn't actively resist the government is a collaborator with our state's criminal acts (I'm certainly included in this.) As a soldier however you bear a larger share of the responsibility, though perhaps not as large as soldiers fighting overseas (and I am very glad for you that you aren't there). We may not have killed babies ourselves, but we aid people who have, and as a member of the military you have agreed to kill if ordered to. You always have a choice, even if it is between killing and military prison. You aren't the devil, merely you have comprimised the premise "thou shalt not kill." I'm not saying that a military isn't necessary. In fact your service could be interpereted as a sympathetic, noble sort of 'sin eater' role, soiling yourself so the rest of the community doesn't have to. Just remember guilt doesn't just wash off with the excuse of following orders. If this post irritates you just remember how many other people are kissing your ass with bumper stickers.
hoober please dont hurt anyone because of their ignorance!! i can understand that it is hard not to lash out when children say things like that but i emplore you to remember they are children!! and dont know any better !!!! let peace be within you!!
