::nods:: Perhaps they will try a different approach...hatred and war didn't work...perhaps something else... I hope they do SOMETHING anything else.....
They've already done 'what Bush did' - we've been conned into participation in his oil war. Most likely they'll carry on as usual, and continue to tell us complete bullshit such as 'identity cards will help prevent terrorism' etc.
Why do they have to do something? for the sake of revenge? revenge will always cause more hurt... revenge will never heal... The u.k. Gov should take a step back to catch their breath and think about what might've influenced someone to act in such an agressive matter. And yes im more than positive they didnt do this cause the Quran told them to. To me this is obvious evidence that the "war on terror" was wrong in the first place. What has any western country accomplished since 9/11? we've accomplished killing 1,700+ soilders and 30,000+ civilians... and we've actually gave fundametalist groups more reason to hate us and an even stronger reason to recruit more fundies... Invading middle eastern countries at random has served no good... We are NOT any more safe than pre 9/11. lol our reckless gov has probably endangered more civilians worldwide than it has protected...
The UK? Lots of words, no action. Anyone who suggests doing something about the problem will be called a racialist and silenced.
Certain passages in the Quaran make this wholly justifiable, you have to twist it around look at it in a different perspective. The bible has passages that can be taken in multiple different ways. Using religeon to further your point, is not new. In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him. Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters. We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid. We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused. God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly." Even if these people did not do it, i doubt the reasoning changes from group to group, unless you believe that 'we' did it to grow more support or divert attention. Erm can you explain why certain suicide bombers decieded to blow up people , this is ongoing . What reason have we gave them to blow up innocent human beings ?.
You are a racist and have no idea what you are talking about. A few years back a white BNP extremist decided to plant a few bombs in strategic places around London. Does that make all white people terrorists?
suicide bombers blow people up because they're trying to prevent the spread of americanism maybe? pre ivasion, I never heard of a suicide bombing in Iraq....
EDIT: ahh i notice 'pre-invasion' it was not needed as saddam was killing the people that did not follow the doctrine he put out .. Now he has gone it is required. If it did or did not, does not realy matter.. They are still killing the people they supposedly 'support'. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=suicide+bombing+iraq&meta=
Well... if the purpose of terrorism is to create a sense of terror (through taking away, by violent action, a state of security and replacing it with fear and uncertainty), I feel it is safe to say that the people responsible for this act can be acurately be described as terrorists... However, what is not clear is who these terrorists are... Fly...
RE: You are a racist and have no idea what you are talking about. I am not a racist, and you are a knee-jerk left wing fool. RE: A few years back a white BNP extremist decided to plant a few bombs in strategic places around London. Does that make all white people terrorists? No, but it means that we should look into the BNP and if its manifesto says "bomb people" we need to take out the BNP. If you read the Koran and it talks of the Dar-As-Islam and the Dar-As-Haram and informs members of the former to kill, slay, cut the limbs off etc. members of the latter, we should take this into consideration. NOT to say anyone who looks a certain way is a killer. If you join the NF you're a scumbag. It doesn't mean to judge people with bald heads or British people but to find those who identify with the NF and keep close tabs on em.
hope not. firstly" condolenses to the people who have lost loved ones . secondly can anyone tell me what a terrorist is ?.
yeah, i am totally with you on this one. the key to keeping a population under control is to keep them in fear so that they demand that the leaders do what they were gonna do all along. e.g. no-one is that much in favour of ID cards, but now that we have had an attack, the government is gonna push them as a means of preventing another attack, so those who were previously against them may now start demanding them, which was what they were gonna do all along. no-one would have been in favour of a war on iraq pre 9/11 but everyone demanded that something be done about it afterwards, when i'm pretty sure the plan was probably in the pipeline anyway. maybe i am just becoming an old cynic, but something just seems very worryingly wrong here. peace and love stardust xxx
RE Quran to Matt The quran defiiantly doesnt say to blow urselves up to kill americans... yes it's quite possible to interpret what the quaran says to make it seem like non muslims should be killed.... But I doubt the Quran literally says to kill non muslims....
"I doubt the Quran literally says to kill non muslims" yes it does we have a islam section in philosphy and religion on this site, lets stop debating islam on uk, Im pretty busy but I will try to answer questions on the religion there
hi there well the west have had their time to rethink about this world of capitalism and profit.. and no war is not the way. even after london .. do you not think maybe we should change... the system to make this world fair.. {then the west would not have to be in fear of terrorists. its all part of the capitalists' view. what was done is for reasons we can not put right.... not when bush and blair seem so blind to poverty,unfair living standards around the world.} no one should judge events without history sharing the truths about why the world is now seeing attacks on usa uk,etc... selling weapons..causing wars.. unfair trade...poverty..crusades from many hundreds of years ago are now being reacted too. by those who choose to harm and bomb. we have drawn much from the world without giving much back. the west should be prepared for these sorts of actions all the time now. we are all part of the problem, we all live under capitalists ideas and governments who rule for profit so until this changes until we see an end to imperial rule..spreading... we will have to view much pain... much more than we have so far all these reactions are just small compared to the many dead from poverty from low living standards from lack of understanding and widespread profit makers....... its ... just the start...... other cultures have alot to say and do against our system. thank you \ lovenpeace from saff
I don't mean any offence, but saffronfrancisburnet these things you mention are excuses.. would you realy like these kind of people around the diplomatic table ? (not that they ever would want to be).. These issues are our issues too why do they think it will be a good idea to kill us ?. I know it is simplistic but i feel they bomb us and in the iraq they kill there own countrymen as indiscriminatly as they do us, because anyone that does not believe in what they do, are infidels. If it is not about religeon then it is about all the 'evils' you just highlighted they want them.... makes no sense realy .
hi there excuses matthew... like weopons of mass distruction....iraq,,more profit oil... like the vietnam war ......more profit rubber..... like the jews.... gold...second world war......{kept very quiet...} england irland.. still a war a cival war there..no matter what the uk says.....profit coming from this also... what else is there......crusades these are still connected to the present behaviour of the terrorists {named so by capitalists ideas of what is happening to the system if others try to change it...} these were all reactions to fear of living standards changing for the west ie usa uk etc... no excuses just reactions to actions from the past.. you yourself should see this and no one will sit round the table whilst we have the history we have... until we stop viewing what profit can be made of another culture of another poor paid worker.. we will see actions that cause death to the people..such as london just as we write more suicide bomers attack in iraq.... so how do you see excuses in anything done against this system... anyway not having a rant at you just not sure where your politics belong... lovenpeace form saff
I say excuses because these are POVs.. your POV and others .. Not 100% right or wrong.. You think they bomb us for 'political reasons' no imho thats not true.. purely religous/profit/control reasons. I don't have any politics just my humble opinion. Dr. M. Khan, the translator of Sahih Bukhari and the Quran into English wrote: "Allah revealed in Sura Bara'at (Repentance, IX) the order to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29). So the Muslims were not permitted to abandon "the fighting" against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are STRONG and have the ability to fight against them. So at first "the fighting" was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory "[Introduction to English translation of Sahih Bukhari, p.xxiv.] from a earlier post of mine (within a link) I would imagine we have had more conflicts with our direct neighbours and in the americas and africa over the centuries.. do they wish us all dead ?. We have 'friendly' diplomatic relations with even our 'enemies' of the last century.. NOW all the reasons you highlight are used as (imho) excuses for a fundemental belief thousands of years old..Of course it is only the fringe elements within this religeon.
