'I lost my job because I was a man playing with children'

I'm only answering as to why few men would go out of their way to volunteer to help out kids anymore.

If you have a zeal to teach little league you're obviously NAMBLA material. Throw in someone disgruntled with the fact that little Timmy didn't get the role of shortstop, and you have the recipe for the destruction of someone's life. Nobody who is sane would take these risks.

 

ahhh....but couldn't little Timmys dad also be upset and play that same card? I do understand the point now that you corelated it to the topic at hand instead of women crying rape.
After working with the public for many years in retail, that is a very valid point indeed! So many parents getting bent out of shape because their children had to be chastised, held and sometimes banned from the mall for their piss poor behavior only to be berated and threatened by these parents. What are they teaching their children? That theres no accountability, to manipulate the system. OK...getting off on a whole other tangent, sorry.

 

gdh - Absolutely. Anyone can make that threat, which is why men don't volunteer. That's my only position on this. Women tend to do this kind of thing more but it doesn't really matter who did it when it's your life, career, marraige etc. ruined.

 

this is scary because i work with children ages 8-14 during the summer at a sports camp. my state of massachusetts requires me to fill out a CORI check. this brings up my Criminal record and goes to the states office of Child Care Services. this is so that i can have unsupervised contact with children under age 17. other states probably have something similar to that...

i horse-around with some of the older kids. its usually just me vs. 3 or 4 older campers. i dont' hurt them, its usually just me chasing them around. but to an outsider or parent, it could be taken way out of context.

even when i'm not horsing-around with the kids, some stuff could be taken out of context...like one of the girls fell off her bike and she was having trouble walking. so i opted to carry her back to the main building.

theres just so much that could be taking out of context working at the sports camp everyday doing normal sporting stuff.

...its just scary what could happen.

 

When I worked with a volunteer org doing paramedic work they discussed things you wouldn't usually think of - like for example people DO worry about a boy braking a bike too hard and sliding off the seat onto the crossbar, but not so much about girls. However, girls can actually rupture in that area and making sure she isn't bleeding from various bits is in order, because at that age/size and with certain clothing severe bleeding or contusion can go unnoticed until it's REALLY SERIOUS -

so they advised us to take the little girl into a private, secluded area so as not to embarass her, and then examine ... and I said uh huh and then get your brains bashed out with a brick. My suggestion was to find as many people as possible and make sure everyone understands what's going on and that you have witnesses.

I was rebuked for having a dirty mind.

 

I'v worked in schools and day care centers where these are the standard rules for everyone working with the children. This is not unusual. Males ARE more of a risk to children. DUH!

Yeah, making, tops, 5 bucks an hour in day care is something we feel really "threatened" by when men want our jobs. <heavy sarcasm>

Number one, this is cross post from an other site. We don't know the original poster, ONLY what he has chosen to tell people at an other site. Number two, do you think if he was being inappropriate, he would have admitted it?

I really don't like cross posting, because there is just no way to know what they hell is going on with the OP, and there are a lot of unknowns.

Yeah, it sucks for this guy. Considering Child Care is one of the lowest paying jobs in the country, I wonder about men who want to work in traditional child care (I am not talking about little league or sports ect.) but most men have OTHER, better paying options open to them. Womyn who work in child care, usually do it because they have many other avenues of work closed to them, and they also often get discounts on child care for their own children, I don't see why many men would want to work traditional child care. There are MANY other, better paying options open to them. It is well known that pedophiles are drawn to jobs in which they have intimate contact with children, despite low wages.No this situation doesn't make me "mad." YOU don't know this dude, YOU don't know his motivations, and none of us really know the REAL reason he was fired. I think there is way more to this story than a poster on AN OTHER SITE may have wanted to share.

JMO.

I am also kinda wondering why you put this here and not in the Men's Issues Forum? Some guy (that we don't even know) was fired for getting innappropriate with children. WHY IS THIS A WOMYN'S ISSUE?

 

Wow, power to maggie

 

The majority of violent crimes commited against 0-4 year olds is commited by women. It isn't at all unheard of for women to abuse or sexually abuse children but when they do it seems as though it is not taken as seriously. Look at that high profile case about the female teacher that banged her middle school aged student that happened a few years ago.

I made a similar point in the other thread. I do take issue with those that draw from these cases of men having problems in traditionally female occupations that women have more rights than men or that we're now a matriarchy.

It doesn't matter what the original poster is like as it was a post of an article from The Observer, not the original posters story.

Some people have goals other than money, like teachers for instance. I don't see how one can complain about sexism against women who choose certain professions because they have goals at odds with gender stereotypes (which, don't get me wrong, is a serious problem) while also turning a blind or unsympathetic eye when people other than you are facing the similar problems.

Sex roles can be harmful to everyone.

The fact is, I posted a sampling of anecdotes to demonstrate that this is hardly an isolated case.

For several reasons:
I don't see how you can really separate the two. It takes two parties for inequality to exist. When a woman gets raped by a man or has to settle for 75% of the pay of a man at her company while the all male circle jerk board of directors raises their own salaries at her expense that is also a mens issue as in those cases, the man is the problem of the issue. Its just like if I were to get into a car accident that was my fault, it is just as much my issue as it is the other drivers.

The second reason is because I wanted to get a woman's perspective. Something Awful is 95% male

Also, women's Issues is on the front page while mens issues is relegated to being a user made forum.

 

RE: When a woman gets raped by a man or has to settle for 75% of the pay of a man at her company

Would you PLEASE stop repeating this lie?

 

I'm using it as an example of a common gender gripe. I also never got into a car accident that was my fault either.

 

R: I'm using it as an example of a common gender gripe

Just so long as we're ALL clear it's an INCORRECT gender gripe.

And yeah I DO ask for directions

 

AT no age are sexual crimes more commited by womyn than men.

Anyway, this still doesn't make this a "WOMAN'S ISSUE!" (Which is what this forum is about.) I am not turning a "blind eye" I just don't think it is a womyn's issue, nor do I give much creedence to someone whining about something which may or may not have been misrepresented on an other site.

 

You portray men as money grubbing fiends who's only possible reason to want to work with kids is because they can't get a better paying job, or to molest children. Is it so difficult to fathom that men may love children non-sexually, and want to work with kids?

 

I portray nothing. Posting under two different names is a bannable offence. Last warning.

 

It is a womans issue when you look at it from the point of view of women having issues with men. Women have the privledge of not being automatically seen as a potential child molestor or villian.

I also don't think its right for you to call these grievances whining. If they are true these people have every right to complain. The man has a permanent label attached to him since his former employer is telling his future employers that he is a child molestor for doing things that women were allowed to do. That is not equal treatment. That is sexism. The last article is even worse, a guy is being permanently stigmatized as a sex criminal becuase he lectured a dumb kid who was probably playing chicken (the kind where kids jump out of the bushes in front of a car). He can never get a job as a teacher and has to notify the whole neighborhood whenever he moves that he is a sex criminal. A punishment totally out of proportion with his crime that wouldn't have been an issue at all if he was a woman.

 

WTF? I don't think so. It's not a womyn's issue, and now people are inventing new Identities to argue this point. Ended.

 

I'm not an existing user to this forum. I am a new user who created an account to post in this thread.

 

Women have the obligation as well as the right to call a man a whiner for complaining. He should be bringing home the bacon without complaint.

 

Not the info I got. Ended, as I said. (this was for nico, not IronGoth.)

 

What makes you think nicodemus was an alias? Show me the identical IP. I post a link to this thread on the other forum. He was from there.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=300875868#post300875868

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