Why I Oppose Tattoos

Not all women have milky white skin.
If you only screw women with white skin, you should take care of that problem first before you complain about what OTHER people do with THEIR own bodies, which they have every right to do. If it bothers you, dont look. Or dont screw that white chick with the tattoos.

 

I agree that I don't like some peoples tattoos but that is only a preference of taste. I think some tattoos however are breathtaking the best one I've seen yet was a full backpeice of an AZTEC calender and it was seriously detailed it was amazing. Maybe go look at more tattoos before you decide you don't like them completely. There are some really unusual tattooists around these days. Hori Hori, Robert Fernandez are some of my favourites.

Not all tattoos are permanent I'm pretty sure if you investigate this you'll come across some semi permanent ones if your too indecisive to get a permanent one.

Tattoos are a form of expression and if you don't like the expressions someone is making at you then you don't go and try to get to know them. That's one of the main reasons why I have tattoos so that if someone is only after milky white skin then they shouldn't come and talk to me as there's a whole lot more to me than that, my tattoos are quite big in comparison with most of the general public and I'll make a bet that this form of bodymodifcation will not die out due to the uniqueness and willingness of the human race to express our own personalities.

 

Wow, my initial post in this thread stirred quite a reaction, and I see that the reaction continues. What I was thinking about saying is that after experiencing Bonnaroo and seeing so many pretty young girls with tattoos I think my initial post may have been too hard. Some girls are very attractive with their tattoos, but I stand by the belief that generally girls tend to look better without tattoos.

This is only my opinion but I actually think tattoos look best in the lower back (I retract my previous post) and on the ankle. Of course, some tattoos are better than others so just because there is ink on these spots does not make it good.

Also, I stand by my criticism over the way getting a tattoo, especially on the lower back for females, has become a fad.

 

Are you saying I am racist because I prefer lighter-skinned women? I have found many dark-skinned women (specifically East Indian) very attractive. I especially think Latin American women are attractive, and went out with one one time. Anyway, this seems a bit of a detour from the topic of the aesthetics involved in tattoos. Regardless of how you feel about my post, I can assure you that many people out there agree with it.

 

Don't like them, then don't get one, but don't try to dictate to others what they can and can't do to their body, that's just stupid.

 

what i want to know is why everyone cares whether or not this shallow nameless guy thinks about tatoos. i'll tell u what lsdseeker, i have four tatoos and i hope you think it detracts from the beauty of my milky white ass

 

hmmm i see it as body ART, not cheap graffiti...it is one persons display of talent on another person willing to be the canvas.., i find it completely beautiful and my fiance was attracted to me because of my brains and personality, not the way i look,...i think vanity is a sad thing to be possesed by..... also in some states now it is considered a source of racism because of poor treatment of the color of ones skin.....and yahno i hate to think that some people cannot accept people for what they are not what they look like or their personal decisions...its an honestly sad way to be...thats okay...someone told me once i was going to hell for having tattoos(im a christian mind you) and i told them well yahno if god only looked skin deep maybe...but hes sees what is on the inside not the outside so i dont care what you say.....think a little harder and think how you would like it if people had this opinion towards you...

 

hmm maybe their getting these tattoos on thier lower backs and ankles so you wont bitch about it anymoe...yeah...you wish...

 

ya were all trippin about whether or not tattoos are cool. this lsd dude has a right to his opinion just as i and all of you do too. i have like 5 tattoos and eventually ill probably even get a sleeve, but these pictures are what im about and i dont give a fuck if some random person thinks it makes me less attractive because i know im happy with what ive got and in my eyes i like looking at all these trippy ass arts on my body! thats what tattooing is... ART!

 

i agree wholeheartedly with ya girl, but ya gotta admit some of it is just horrid scratchin. as for graffiti, my hubby did an awesome piece on this dude that looked like spraypaint graffiti, lots of colors - turned out really sweet (once again, i did not have a camera! bad apprentice, bad apprentice!)

hahaaa!!! i'm goin straight to hell anyways, tattoos or no tattoos... don't let 'em drag you down.

 

thats true even though some of that stuff can be a tribal way of sentiment...look at african tribres...some of it isnt reallly beautiful artwork but it means something to them and their society......

 

Why are lower back tattoos so hated? I have a lower back tattoo, and it's just as expressive and beautiful as anyone elses. The placement of the tattoo has nothing to do with it; its the person who is wearing it. I agree with IcedTeaPriestess, you are a dick LSD.

 

Some people need to grow up. I can see how my initial post could be found to be offensive, but it was merely an opinion. And if you think there's a problem with my opinion, you have no clue about how the world works. There are all kinds of occupations that don't go well with tattoos. There are all kinds of discrimination people with tattoos, many of whom wanted to party in their youth, will have to face over time. If you think my little post is a problem, you have no clue what's going on.

I have known people who regretted their tattoos. This is a very serious issue. Not all tattoos nowadays are artistic or meaningful. And there are the lame tattoos mentioned on this thread, such as the overdone barbed wire on the bicep.

So, if you disagree with my post, at least act like an adult and explain why I am wrong, lame, narrow-minded, need more acid to open me up, whatever. There is such a thing as a difference of opinion, I think.

 

ok fine if thats what you want.... some of us live a life of open mindedness and acceptance....trust me i dont regret even one of my tattoos and i have tattoos on top of my hands on my neck and behind my ears....in my OPINION it is a form of expressing myself...i can tell you why i got each one of my tattoos and what it stands for and why it describes me as a person...and also i work in the corperate feild who do not care if i have tattoos or not...my tattoos are looked past because of the person i am on the inside...i am sorry but your narrow minded judgmental point of view is a sad way to be and you will live a very unfulfilled life with regret one day because u were a jerk to those different than you...so who is the one who needs to grow up???

 

Seeker,​

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In looking at the "rhythm" of your posts, and the content, they suggest to me​

that your are not just sharing an opinion but you are trying to change minds ?​

Whether this is so or not, it appears that your examining the thread and that​

your opinion is changing. And in this 'vein' I wonder if your opinion might​

evolve further ? Many people, on many, levels, are afraid of that that is ​

distinctly different from thier own culture and way of living; this truly primitive​

behavior is a main root of serious problems and difficulties that we have in our​

world. People are often taught by their families and their 'villages' to act by​

rote rather than to pause and openly think about an issue or experience with​

particular basic rules of reasoning that are fair and balanced; guided by the ​

overt, by 'intuition' or 'inklings', to question authority and to question one's​

self. ​

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We, human beings, are at a point in our existence where we are being pushed​

to change. Change meaning the we must get along, we must learn to work​

side by side without evolking, producing, the destruction caused by the many​

forms of prejudice and its various associated activities. Intertwined​

throughout human history are thousands of stories relating persecution of​

people because they 'look different' or 'speak different' or 'pray different' or​

'think different'.​

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I personnally do not have tattoos, however I often have experienced great​

wonder and beauty cause the many different forms of tattoo art, tattoo ​

expression, that the I have seen.​

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I also recognise that within your statements are also what I see as valid AND​

useful observations; in particular, although not clearly stated, is the fact that​

tattoos are permenant and proper consideration would probably be good​

before getting a tattoo. Also, in your statements you appear not to address​

people with skin darker than "milkly white" thus producing the 'air' of exclusion​

of people with skin darker than "milkly white". It is important not to 'gloss​

over' this point as your statements gave the clear, strong, impression of racial​

focus. So I ask, "going back and recalling, in your 'minds eye', who did ​

you imagine your where addressing"? Males who like "milkly white skin" ?​

Or are you baiting people, this is to say; are you 100% sincere in asking your​

question(s) or did you design the post for deeper unstated reasons, eg; to​

create controversy ? In either case I believe that this is OK, in the context​

that it resides, because with minds open to learning there are sure to good​

lessons; here I also include both if us. ​

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In reference to the above portion of this message I will add a portion of a post I made in reference to the Burning Man Festival. It was wriiten in response to a person who stated that the participants of the festival are, in essence, doing bad because his interpretation of Chirstanity indicated that it was bad:​

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>From: Christopher
>Status: ​

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>Have you ever read the bible.
>Obviously not.
>What did the Israelites do when Moses went on the mountian to pray.
>They made a golden idol, and danced around it naked.
>God was very upset with this.
>It is one of the 10 commandments to make no idols before me(God).
>I'll pray for all of your salvation.
>Please wake up.
>Believer in Christ,
>-Chris​

Hello Christopher, ​

After reading what I wrote to you I realised that I needed to make a correction - here is the corrected email: ​

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What a wonderful reality that Christopher and the rest of us are able to express our ideas, opinions, and are able to learn. In some places, in some realities, there are people, groups of people, who would hurt or end ones life for expressing an idea or opinion. The only way to learn is to have, at least, a sense of freedom about our ability to express ourselves. I have found that not pre-judging, not making a conclusion, about the 'ten thousand' experiences that we encounter everyday is actually difficult and is part of the art of living and learning; to have reserve and to lucidly experience is an art. And, this art requires one to have self-honesty and sincere want, possibly "need", to know the truth. I pose this question to Christopher: if a person had walked down the street in New York 150 years ago wearing some of the clothing that we wear today, say a 'bathing suit', they might very well have been killed. Does the fact that wearing this clothing would have been considered wrong and very bad make it actually wrong and bad ? And what if it were a situation where the afore mentioned person tried to not "inflict" their activity on others but, instead, had a "reasonably" private area were they would wear these clothes but someone found out and told the greater community about these activities going on in this "reasonably private area," do you think that these people wearing the unusual clothes would be left alone by the greater community ? I think they would have been "attacked" in primitive manner and possibly destroyed. ​

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I am not saying that there is not truth, but, instead, I am trying to pose the idea that humans are extremely complex and varied; and, that finding the truth, finding new vistas, new realities, requires, sometimes, among other qualities, courage. This point is subtle to many people, and likely it would be "glossed over' by many as not significant. It is sometimes frightening thing "to not know." And people, often, will react to what they do not understand in a foolish manner and as if "they do understand" while not being fully conscious of the reality that they do not understand. Finding the protocols that facilitate productive, and good, communication and being open in order to gain a true understanding is an art; yet answers are readily available to us. Opening up to the reality, and having sincere respect, of the fact the human consciousnesses are widely varied is key to the survival and evolution of good and just groups of people - be it family, community or government. Christopher I suggest that you read Platos' Apology. I would like to hear from you. ​

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Peace my Friend, ​

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(signed)​

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Natural23​

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yup makes PERFECT sense what you said there. theres your fact based post my deer seeker.

 

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I dunno, perhaps it was more like a political or personal statement. Whether I did or did not try to change minds (subconsciously), I was not trying to impose my ideas on anyone. Rather, others have tried to impose their ideas on me by insulting me for my views. ​

Could be the LSD, dunno. I wrote that post before I took 5 hits of acid. But I did see a lot of very cute girls with tattoos at Bonnaroo. I would have no problem dating many of them. Could be that I have not been exposed to tattoos all that much. Anyway, they seem hyped to me, the way they are becoming more common.​

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You may have a point about that, but my first thought is to feel your wording is a little condescending: "You are afraid, ignorant, and that's why you think the way you do..." But regarding the primitive nature of man, and how he clings to prejudices based on that nature, you may have a point. In fact, as absurd as it may sound, some people may be more genetically inclined than others to be "tolerant" to tattoos (I have been reading a book dealing with the topic of how genes supposedly influence political and social values). Those with genetic predispositions toward "tolerance" on the issue may thus wonder why others see it as such a big deal. In which case: who holds the truth here? Both sides may have their genetic predispositions. Both sides may also be heavily influenced by environment, always a factor in such issues. Is any side right? You act like this is right vs. wrong, by making it an issue of fear vs. acceptance. It may just be an entirely subjective issue in which egos and feelings are involved, hence the argument.​

At least you recognize that I have a point, unlike some of the fanatics on this thread who can't deal with a contrary opinion.​

I think some people read too much into that. I was directing my statements toward everyone, regardless of color. That had nothing to do with the central message of the post, although it's interesting to see how touchy some people are about race issues.​

Let me emphasize, again, that my posts were not meant to hurt or insult anyone. It's obvious that some people have felt hurt by what I have written, and this was not intended.​

 

Seeker,


Good to hear from you. My awareness of your apparent stated intention
in writing your original post, and your subsequent posts, is that you
wanted to share and discover.

You clearly appear to be intelligent and have articulated in a manner that
indicates that you have a desire to pursue the deeper meanings of these
issues and, also, that you are displeased with many of the responses
that you have recieved. I find your displeasure fascinating.

Given nature of this thread, I am, also, interested in understanding the nature
of your intention in participating in this thread. Here I am not reserved in
terms of reasonable broad-ranging questions, and, clearly, we have both
initiated and pursued this course as well as it simply being a good policy in the
course of learning and 'discovery.'

As far as the question of condesention contained within my statements is
concerned: (1) I was trying to communicate that protocol, in the context
that we are in, this forum, goes far beyond grammer or non-culturally aware
renderings. For example if convert your first sentence to another context,
say you are present at a seminar about techniques for breast feeding babies
in public places and you stand up and speak: "In my view breast feeding in
public places is generally vulgar and unnatural. I know this will piss off some
people, but I think some people would agree with my point of view." I don't
think that the expression would be expected. It would certainly surprise folks
and I suppose they would want to continue with their seminar.

(2) Considering the nauture of your statements in the thread I believe that
my statements are appropriate and accurate.

I will clarify that it was, and is, my intention to relay to you the reality,
because of the raw content of your statements and not your intention, that
your addressing only tattoos on milky white women instead of being
conscious that you are speaking to a varied audience, not just males who
want to protect mikly white female skin, in the specific context that you
have, speaks powerfully to your lack of awareness. Further you come to a
forum dedicated to body modification art and, in professed innocence, you
attack; the attack being 'peppered' with strings (words, phrases and
sentences) that racially bait and that direct "cloked", and overt, insult
and put-downs at these people. And you're surprised ?

Here, I will qualify that I am analyzing how the content reads and not your
intention. In your original post you have six one and two sentence paragraphs
that include the following 'key' words and phrases, numbers indicate the paragraph:

(1) tattoos, vulgar, unnatural, piss off, agree
(2) tattoos, permanent, fashion of tattoos, temporary
(3) gorgeous or very cute girls with tattoos, detracts from their cuteness,
fashsion, perverting effect
(4) blackish or bluish ink stains over soft, smooth, youthful skin. make love to
woman, want to see her delectable milky skin against my body, not some
cheap graffiti
(5) rarely have I seen tattoos that I have liked, some I admit look good or
even cute, small, concealed
(6) body mutilation, will pass as a fashion statement

Referring to the above key word and phrase list when looking at the original
text helps to clarify the resultant nature of this initial post, not necessarily
the intention behind its rendering. Without qualification here, I find your use
of the word "delectable" particularly fascinating.

There is a general catagory of human behavior that I have observed before
that I have personally 'coined' "the you thought it first game." It goes like
this: A person expresses an idea or concept whereby the successful
transmission of the expression is dependent on a known or distinctly
understood context such that the expression will clearly exist but will not be
able to be easliy substantiated as having been expressed. When the person
(or entity) is questioned about the nature of the expression its existence is
denied and subsequent projection of the origin of the thought takes place, ie;
someone tries to get another to believe that they thought of it first. Classic
projection. Rush Limbaugh made a feeble attempt at this before the national
riots in the 1990's that were realted to the Rodney King beating trial. What
Limbaugh did was put an approximate 3/4 meter high cardboard cut-out
drawing of a gorilla on his desk during his show, an obvious reference to the
well publicized "gorilla in the mist" racial slur that LAPD used. His "humor and
other commmunication would 'skirt' any direct acknowledgement of the
intention that was obviously behind his cardboard cut-out. Regardless of your
intention, I believe that I'm "reading it" correctly in terms of what your post
means to the people reading it in the context it was placed.

Do you think you found the right forum Seeker ?

 

lsd....that explains the abuse...try being sober when you look at tattoos...and as a simple question, what do u think of paintings,sculptures,drawings, this sort of thing?...i think maybe if you look a little deeper into the meanings of why people do this you could understand a little better, i definitly did not mean to be hurtful to you in your opinion im just curious as to what makes you say such things...and as the fact you say you didnt mean to be condasending or hurtful, well look at those of us who are modified and what you have said is quite hurtful, just be careful when expressing your opinion because it can be hurtful to those of us with permanant modifications.