Abortion

Ooooh! Huck, I love that quote!

 

Pro-Life....

 

Why should a woman who believes a baby will wreck her life be allowed to abort the baby, but the father who believes the baby will wreck his life is forced to pay child support? Sounds like a double standard to me. But like i said, the only one that gets hurt is the kid, not the mother, so its a necessary evil..but still a double standard

 

She shouldn't.

It's called taking responsibility for your actions.

Short of outlawing abortion, this could be addressed by requiring the consent of both parents. That would prevent fathers from simply walking away, but it would also allow them to keep the child if the mother didn't want to.

Are you saying that the kid is hurt by being born, but not by being killed?

 

Check out http://www.feministsforlife.org.

 

thats the point i was MAKING....men are told to take responsibility for their actions.....others dont have too..thats why its a double standard.

A kid is hurt when the father doesnt make the child care payment in most instances.

As i said in an earlier post, i'm morally against abortion, but respect a persons right to decide on their own ifthey want to abort. So i'm not gonna argue why its ok to abort the kid.

edit: i've thought about the double consent idea too...and i dont think its a good one. A guy shouldnt be able to force a woman to give birth if she doesnt want too. And what if she didnt know who the father was? What if the father couldnt be reached for some reason? There are a million technicalities that you'd have to work out.

 

I don't think the solution is to eliminate the standard altogether!

This could be handled similar to adoption, in which the father has a very short time window in which to assert his parental rights.

 

I'm pro-choice. No one will ever be able to change my opinion, and I know that I will never be able to change others' opinions, so I never get into abortion debates. My only hope is that it remains legal, whether people like it or not.

 

Agreed.

 

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Well, I'm glad that my opinion makes me a NAZI. The honorary Jewish NAZI, as it turns out. Except for one slight problem- Those cases were because Hitler was trying to 'purify' the human race. I said nothing about doing such thing. Cute comparison, though. I give your insult some credit, though incorrect.

 

I AM so definately pro-choice. I don't push my ideals on other people & I don't think they have a right to push their ideals on me!! I have been pregnant 6 times!! That's right 6 times!! How many kids do I have? 1! And she is the light of my life!! I AM so happy that I have made the desicions I have made in the past because I feel I wouldn't have been able to give to the others what I give to her, mentally, emotionally, financially, ect... plus I wouldn't have been able to give away any child I had birthed. That would've been a-lot harder for me personally!!
(I guess in sharing this I will find out how judemental people are or are not here!)
Here is my beautiful daughter!!

 

Actually, the notion of "life unworty of life" took hold in the German medical profession before Hitler came to power.

Call me "judgmental," but I'm astonished that you found it easier to kill your other children than to place them with loving parents who are desperately eager to adopt. I'm also dismayed that you could so cavalierly use abortion as birth control.

 

Too bad; The civil rights movement in America fought for everybody to have a say in everything. I'm an American male, and I'm going to have my little say:

At the most basic level, abortion is the taking of life. It is killing. I don't like the idea of killing the unborn. If you do not want to become pregnant, then either use birth control or, 100% guarenteed, don't have sex.

That said: Birth control can fail in rare instances and people do get raped. In such cases I am not against technology such as a 'Morning After Pill'.

Sometimes people don't know that their birth control failed until a month or two later. This gets gray for me - But, grudgingly, I'll concede to abortion here too.

However, there are people out there who think that it's okay to have a late term abortion. Third trimester. A child that is nearly fully developed - It can hear, it can feel, it can think. Yet, people run around and yell "It's my choice!" Your choice to what, murder a baby?

Once the child reaches such a late stage in gestation, as far as I am concerned the mother is morally obligated to give birth. This is not a small collection of cells I'm talking about here - this is a creature that could be taken from the womb, raised in a hospital as a premature birth, and have a normal and happy life.

It is this third trimester abortion that is the subject of Bush's "Anti-Abortion" bill. Not all abortion - just in the third trimester, when the child is fully capable of surviving outside of the womb. How can someone justify this murder?

Nobody says that you have to keep the child. Where I live (Cleveland, OH), and I'm sure other places do this as well, hospitals have a "No Questions Asked" policy on new born children. If you don't want the child, you take it to the emergency room and leave it there. It will be taken care of and given to a home that has the capacity to take good care of it. There's many couples who are unable to have a child of their own.

Consider it a gift. Not just to the family lucky enough to have the child, but to the child itself. After all, it could be a bloody mess.

Now, this "We need to keep abortion legal to stop people from going to the 'black market'" argument holds no water. Let me make a similar claim:

We need to give out free syringes and high-quality heroin to drug addicts. This way they don't run the risk of something going wrong with a shared needle or a bad batch of drugs.

Sounds absurd, doesn't it?

In the end, though, the choice of killing or keeping the child rests on the woman, legal or not. Nobody can take that choice away from you. Nobody can take away the choice for me to take my clothes off, get drunk, and ride my mule down main street while singing the national anthem, either.

Just make sure - make very, very sure - that you're willing to live with the consequences of your choice.

 

How do you explain your apparent belief that the "right" to sex without consequence trumps the right to life?

 

Funnily enough, Hitler was rabidly anti-abortion. I do find it rather amusing when someone brings up Nazis in debate.

 

When did I bring up the Nazis? I mentioned the German euthanasia program, which Hitler accelerated but didn't initiate:

http://www.nightingalealliance.org/pdf/Lessons_from_History.pdf

 

Actually, I never said you did.

Don't direct me any of your reading material. I am not interested.

 

why is it a beautiful growing bundle of joy when one decides to have it but the same person considers it a mere mass of cells when its unwanted?

 

You'd expect people not to judge you for something like that? I mean, making a choice wether or not to have an abortion is one thing, but Using it like birth control simply because you're too lazy to use pills or condoms is absolutely sickening. If you weren't prepared to handle children, then you should not be putting yourself in a position to get pregnant so often. Personal freedom would also assume you have at least a tiny bit of personal responsibilty. But instead of dealing with what should be your responsibility, you instead choose to push off your problems on someone else, in this case 5 unborn children. I've had an abortion, I know what it's like to have no other options. But after that I made sure it NEVER happened again. It's disgusting that people like you give the rest of us a bad name. I'm usually pretty open-minded, but i'm not openminded to the point of being retarded. I only hope that you can maybe teach your own child better morals and better responsibilities, better self respect than to go and spread her legs to whoever wants to shove his pecker up in it and then think its okay to simply flush away her problems.