New drugs of choice, are in medicine cabinet - USA

^ uhh ok...maybe u should dignify your response with somthing more than pointless slander and using "jay and silent bob" as backup trying to discredit my opinion, which is absolutley pointless as trying to hold back somones opinion over the net is like trying to stop the earth from spinning.

i'm 20, and i'll tell you right now,I am ALOT more educated than yourself [and most people on this damn board] if u need proof i'll take a pic of my drivers liscence if u need that much evidence.

it doesnt even matter if i had any education because a fucking chimp in the zoo could tell u that abusing perscription drugs is stupid, and thats my opinion, if u want to use em go ahead, but people who are promoting them, or saying it's safe are just stupid.

I have respect for alot of ppl on this board, and those ppl i will never lay my harsh opinion down on them because even though they may post some stupid shit, it's their opinion and i respect it. Somone who comes here and doesnt post anythign but how they love getting high off of drugs in your medicine cabinet make me sick, and deserve nothing but my bashing and harsh opinion.

 

Yep. That is why it smells.

"A LOT" is two words. I learned this from my education....... And blackdog does not "deserve" a bashing, just beacuse you disagree with him. IT'S AN OPINON, deal with it, dj.

Now quit calling each other names, or Auntie Maggie will get cranky.

 

I'm sorry Auntie Maggie, but I have a lot of "blackness" inside me, as my friend Yusef says, so when I saw that phat pic of Ice Cube attached to the drug bashing stream of anger, i couldn't help but go off like that... plus i was really stoned and listening to my main man, Snoop Dizzle... It shouldn't happen again. Being stoned is no excuse for anything, so i'll just say i'm sorry, and that's about all i can say about that. I still love you tho! You better believe it!

To digitalldj: 1. Digital has one "L"
2. I'm 21, in college with 172 hours credit, and I have a doctorate.
3. I was not really trying to outdo you as much as I was trying to provoke you in hopes that you might see how foolish your hostility towards people who use and/or "abuse" prescription drugs really is.
4. Why do you feel that prescription drugs are bad, when they serve the same end that other drugs, foods, and beverages do? Also in that same light, do you feel that using "hard" drugs is any better or respectable that using "soft" drugs and/or prescription drugs? These two questions are merely to satisfy my inquiry as to your stance on drug use as a whole.
5. Do you feel that you are completely righteous in your own mind, and that you have never used or abused drugs of any kind? This is just a follow-up.
6. What all drugs have you done in your life, and what have your experiences with various substances been like?
7. What school do you attend, and what major - if any, do you plan to take up while you are there?
8. Do you now think that perhaps this has all gotten utterly silly, not only by my explosive provocation of your attitude, but also partly due to the fact that you were acting like a 12 year old even though you are much older?
9. Have you ever heard the old axiom "Act your age, not your shoe size?"
10. *Final Question* Do you understand that all the while I was cleverly manipulating the rather predictive nature of your posts in hopes that you will think before another flood of completely biased and unnecessary hostility seeps past your brain and through your fingers and then right onto the screen you are most likely reading only because you feel the need to defend yourself and "top" the outrageous putdowns i laid on you last night which, as I have already mentioned, were completely premeditated so that we could end up EXACTLY where we are right now? Do you feel it? This lovely state of limbo that is created directly after someone has gotten you to do their bidding without you even realizing you already did it for them? I feel it!!! I love this type of thing because it means that all the while I have controlled the arguement, which I'll admit is a kinda dick thing to do on my part, but hopefully by now you have realized the error in both of our judgement, although i was simply reflecting the hostility that i received in hopes that we would end up here... and this is my favorite part because it can go two ways from here ( like Robert Frost's poem ): You can either choose to hate what i've done and completely disregard this post, which i would almost bet money you will do if you already haven't. The other way is probably the one that I hope you will choose, but I'm doubting you will because it is the road less traveled... metaphorically speaking that is. The other way is to simply learn to think before you say something like that, and respect everyone as equals, regardless of whatever shortcomings you think they have concerning their morallity and/or the ethical use and/or abuse of prescription drugs. Sadly, I do not think you will even read this far, and I also do not think you will choose to admit defeat or surrender or whatever type of martial term you have created this arguement around in your own mind. I realize I pissed you off at first, and that was intentional, but not because I honestly hate you or even wanted to pick at you. I merely wanted you to realize what you are saying, and also ask that you would respect all of us as though we are all people, each one just as worthy as the other one despite whatever character flaws we might have. Yes, I have a lot of education, and no, I don't know everything there is to know in the world, and I won't say that I am 100% in the right for pulling this little stunt, mainly for your own sake, but also as an example for people of a like-mind who are seeming to come into this forum by the dozens only to deal out unjust, poorly-founded, and harsh criticism to people who probably need it the least. People typically take prescriptions because they have something wrong with them, and whether or not they use it to relieve the symptoms of their illness does not take away from the fact that something (in their mind or otherwise) is most likely wrong somewhere down the line. Is the saying, "If it's broke, don't fix it?" No, it most certainly is NOT! Until you understand the reasons that people use different chemicals to help them in their life, please don't assume you are in the right to call them names or else I'll have to make you do something more than just reply with more hostility via the internet... Who knows... maybe I'll get you to drive over here and buy me a beer or something and then I'll dish out another lecture as I drink. I'm not completely guiltless of doing something similar, and Maggie Sugar kinda helped cool my jets then, just as I was hoping she would do now for you and this posed arguement. I've come to learn that instead of being one-sided about issues like this, the wiser choice is to understand the conditions that lay underneath the surface as a whole, and even then a conclusion is not necessarilly going to come. Maggie taught me that, and even though I have taken on a pseudo-mock personallity on these forums in the past few months, I'm still the same quiet, mild-mannered stoner who sometimes risks his greendot "karma" rating or whatever it is, mainly just to get a small kick and hopefully do something positive. All in all, I know I'm not without sin, and I accept it as part of my being. That doesn't make me a better person at all, however, that just means I know I'm a sinner and I have come to terms with it. I may or may not be smarter than you, and that doesn't matter to me at all. What matters is that you think before you explode like that, and please treat all of us with the same respect you would show to the other people you respect on these forums... We're all people here, and we all deserve the right to be wrong, even you bud I hope you really don't take all of this the wrong way and think I'm just being a pompous ass for manipulating you this way... that wasn't the point, and I honestly pray that you realize that, man.

Peace bro,

LostBlackDog

 

i think someone's been pwned..

 

sorry i didnt know a 43 year old woman was pulling grammar cop on a "Hippy" Forum...

as for blackdog i will give a response later because i'm way to lazy to read all that stuff, but i'm not very impressed with a 900 word single paragraph

 

Dude lets all love eachother. This is a "Hippy" Forum as DigitalDj says calls it. I myself use perscription drugs recreationally. I find them no less harmful nor any safer. They are just easier to come by and popping a few pills or snorting a few lines of Lortab or whatever is less detectable than smoking a joint or even taking a few shots of alcohol.
The gateway theory is just a lie. It is simply another explanation for the rise and fall of popularity of certain drugs. I knwo this probably doesnt make sense but yea im lazy so if you wanjt to knwo the truth or whatever just type in gateway theory in google or whatever
Later,
And sorry for dis-respecting my elders, just a young'ins perspective

 

I'm not very impressed with your intellectual laziness and your own ironic bashing of Maggie Sugar, who is also a moderator last time I checked... Hmmm... maybe you shoulda taken that into consideration before you totally dissed her like that, and then went on to pull a "grammar cop" defense straight outta your ass. What can I say that you haven't already made clearly apparent yourself. All I did was throw you a bone so that you could earn some respect, but you completely failed kid, and then you insulted my friend and a very kind woman who deserves more respect than I'm sure you could ever possibly scrape up from the bottom of your shallow soul. Gah... I come here because this is a place with people who are not so easily predictable and who often leave me in awe of their intellect, but you have been the most predictable and boring person I believe I may have ever encountered. Please make yourself more interesting and show some humility or else you can take your people-bashing anger fits back to middle school. What kind of defense is that anyways? You called her a grammar cop and then got your panties in a wad because I made a "900 word" single paragraph!!! Did you even read the tiny little post you threw up like you had one too many tacos? Kid, I'm sorry, but you've officially fucked yourself in your own ass, and this wasn't a lil' slip by any stretch of the imagination either! Did you mean to do that? I can't believe I had to ask that, but it's almost difficult to tell if you're just "slow," or if you really meant to completely screw yourself over! Personally, I'm just gonna quit now and let you keep diggin' your own grave, 'cause you're doing just as good a job, if not better, than I was doin'. I think you have made me laugh more in this day than I have laughed in the past month. I thank you for that at least... in the mean time... good luck, kid. You're gonna need it!

 

They're Generation Rx.
Today's teenagers are more likely to pop prescription pills to get high than snort cocaine or drop acid, experts say.

so would they like us to snort coke and drop cid?

Marijuana: 8.7 million

woohoo go mj in the lead still

 

I agree with you Weinberg43, and although I was never into prescription drugs when I was your age or even now that I have some of the more "popular" pills at my disposal, but if you read my previous post (I didn't expect you to since we had not read your post here yet) then you would see that I was trying to reach out to DigitallDJ before he totally dissed himself by contradicting his own conviction of an "elder" who deserves the highest respect in my opinion. Maggie has been a VERY positive influence in these forums, and she, as well as photogra1 have probably saved some lives out of the goodness of their hearts, as well as imparting a lot of good wisdom on many whom they have encountered here. I don't think you have disrespected your elders here at all, man.

As far as the original post and what you said are concerned, I believe you have a very good grasp of what's going on with people your age. Unfortunately, there is not much valid information regarding credible studies examining the current trends in pharmaceutical use in lieu of psychedelics and/or narcotics. Part of me wishes there were still enough hippies with kind hearts and a clandestine drive to produce the magnitude of drugs that I got to taste the tail end of when I was a kid going through the latter part of the "grunge" age. However, I started at a very young age, but I will say that I clearly remember a good bit of what I did, and I was always very cautious. I don't think that it's wrong for kids your age to inquire as to what all is "out there," but I do think that moderation should be something that is respected. I always used to tell my friends that it would be better to take too little than to take too much of mind altering substance (be it alcohol, pot, or whatever) than to take too much and completely ruin the only body i possess. If I ever have kids, and they wonder what pot is like, then I'll go down in my basement and cure a plant for them and bestow upon them their very first bong. I want my child(ren?) to be able to comfortably ask me what that is like, and I vow upon my right nut that I will not fill their heads with bullshit or tell them that it's okay if I do it and they can't. I was too afraid to ever talk to my parents about much of anything, and my children will never have to worry about that from me. I plan on letting them make their own decisions when they reach your age or maybe even a little younger, and I think that I will be so awestruck at the miracle of life walking before me, that I already know that it will take loose reigns in order to develop that type of relationship... where they aren't afraid to ask questions about stuff like pot, or why daddy hates the bank, or whatever.
Out of curiosity, have you tried pot at 15, and if so, when did you start? You don't have to answer those questions, but I'm only curious so that I can get a general idea for my own interest. I plan to study teen drug use patterns and the social situations therein and surrounding that issue so thatI can begin to collect accurate and informed data regarding observed behaviour instead of bullshit survey statistics. Don't let the man tell you you're a bad person because you did a drug, but at the same time, make sure you're safe with what you take. I'm not telling you what to do, but I'm just saying make sure you don't end up making some lethal chemical combination in your blood by messing around with shit if you're on stuff like MAOIs and non-compatible meds like that. I have no idea what MAOIs do in the first place, but I know there's a lot of drugs that people use for fun that they simply don't play nicely with. That's about as much of a lecture I'll ever give you here. You seem like a good kid with a good head on your shoulders though, so I'd bet you're already lookin' out for stuff like that. It's amazing how much kids your age and my lil' brother's age know about prescription drugs by the time you guys are like 14, so I can't even begin to imagine what I would find out if I could get through that whole age-barrier thing and find out how much you guys really know. I'm 21, so it's not like I'm much older, but my professors are always amazed how much I know about different drugs typically found in different social groups in different social settings. With that said, I can't even begin to imagine how things have evolved as your generation has grown up with the internet and other advantages that really just weren't available at the earlier stages in my life. I think it's utterly fascinating to see how an eight year old can change out hard drives on a computer in 10 minutes, while it takes people my age 30 minutes if we're lucky. I really wonder where you guys will go once you're no longer tied down by shitty lies and social institutions.

From my angle, it's almost like you guys have created a tribal-like subculture where you guys help each other out 9 x's out of ten instead of just popping pills for a good time. That's just what I have seen as a general observation, but that doesn't mean i'm completely right to make that assumption. In fact, I wouldn't doubt that I am totally wrong altogether! I just see a lot more practical application of prescription drugs than just recreational "abuse." (I.e. You have a pulled back muscle from football practice, so your friend gives you a vicodin tab rather than an ambien or an adderall tab). So what do you believe is more true regarding practical prescription drug "abuse" or does it seem like there is more recreational "abuse" than I have simply been able to observe as a camp counselor and an art teacher? Any input would be most appreciated!

 

Man, if the green machine was anywhere other than in the #1 spot, we'd know that they're lying fo' sho'! I'd honestly bet that the true number for pot is much, much higher than that puny lil' figure... After seeing Harold and Kumar go to White Castle, no one has an excuse to demonize pot any more.... Just start farting on people who oppose progressive legalization legislation... that or go #2 for your congressman's desk so that mj can be #1... okay... that's too much now.

 

"8. Do you now think that perhaps this has all gotten utterly silly, not only by my explosive provocation of your attitude, but also partly due to the fact that you were acting like a 12 year old even though you are much older?"


i guess i can admit to that, haha and like in your 9. To be honest, i'm only doing the same thing here, using premediated thoughts to provoke somone into argument, haha because i just love doing it because it's funny how mad ppl can get over the net.

i was never mad at any point, nor do i get mad here, because i'm not one to take things personally or to heart over the net, but tonnes of ppl are, so i like to take advantage of their weakness

as for Maggie Sugar, it was a low blow, but i'm not pleased at all with the mods of this site, one of the most posted in forums [mary jane] has been lacking a moderator for months, and i've made several post in the user support forum regarding it, with no results

that is not how a succesfull forum is ran, and if i know anything i know about running a forum

if u want to keep going on with an argument blackdog be my guest, because i will never admit that at any point in this thread i was "owned" but i highly doubt u care about that anyways.

 

If you've ever payed attention to the text at the bottom of their ads, then you probably already know that they come from the Office for National Drug Control Policy. The ONDCP is led by the government, and all it does is dish out government bull shit.

I think it's awesome that you're going to use observations rather than surveys to find the real facts. Good luck. I'd be interested to know what your conclusions are, and I'm sure that others on these forums would be interested too.

Peace,
BTG

 

Hugs. I wasn't mad.

 

Don't worry, I've done my homework regarding where we get statistics like that from, and unfortunately it all comes from extremely biased organizations who use statistics much like a corporate CEO who bends the truth to carry his favor. Here's an interesting example we just used in my Finite class today:
Employees working for a corporation make $10,000 a year and they complain because their CEO is making much more than they are obviously. The CEO says, "What's the problem? The avg. annual salary is $100,000 dollars." * the naughtly little secret is that they make $10,000 a year and the CEO is making $1,000,000. my friend who works for FEMA has told me time and time again " Yes, the government pays us to lie to you, otherwise they would lose the upper hand and communists would take over the country."

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, Damn lies, and Statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli

As far as my research is concerned, it's very hard figuring out how to measure and record accurate data as well as dodging legal barriers and so on. My advisor did a marijuana study among college teens at his university, however, so I think he will be more than just a little helpful as I try to build this experiment or whatever you want to call it. Hopefully it will show something of some real significance that we can use to battle the feds. Does anyone else thing the war on drugs is kinda like the war on terror? It's more like a vendetta on druglords who don't have corporate titles, but that's just been my experience. Maybe it's time that we actually had a two-sided "war" taking place in the court rooms, or maybe it's time for us to simply re-vamp the system as a whole before it crashes and burns like Rome... I just see way too many parrallels.

 

DigitallDJ - I'm sorry I didn't see that you are God and you know exactly how a forum should be "ran." Just never try to pull a "grammar cop" move like that again... ever... for your own sake. Also, you might want to reconsider your future plans if you were ever counting on a career in law. I don't know why I feel that you will sink your own battle ship, but it's just a hunch... I'm not going to argue with you anymore because now you've shown your true colors, and I just have one more question: are you honestly happy with what you have said? You didn't even provide an arguement at all, rather you simply asserted yourself as a flip-flopping jackass.
"What you've just said is by far the most idiotic thing I've ever [read]. Nowhere in your incoherent rambling did you even come close to anything that resembles a rational thought. The whole [thread] is now dumber because of it. I award you no points...and may God have mercy on your soul" --Billy Madison

You weren't "owned" by anyone other than yourself, and then you served yourself to all of us on a silver platter. I only wish you were able to see how you did that so you would cut your losses and move on to getting your kicks out of something healthy. Sociopaths exploit weaknesses like you described above, but don't worry... they have pills for that now. Well, pills and/or prisons... Your choice I guess...

 

LOSTBLACKDOG,Sorry for not posting in a while, I have been working crazy hours. I work at my parents office as a secretary so there are no resrictions on working.
All the War on Drugs says is that drugs cause you to loose your job. It is completely opposite for me. Given I am only 15 and have not tried many of the drugs I wish to someday because I am still growing mentally and physically. Anyway, to buy dip, chew, stoggies and cigars and pills I need money right??? Well working is the only way for me to get money. OF course once again I am 15 so robbing is not an option. (not that I would do that)... I have never tried pot before because I wish to someday aid the "rebels" who are fighting for the truth, and for the legalization of at least marijuana. And if someone asks me from the government, if I do become someone influential, "Have you ever smoked pot? Because that could be a motive for legalizing it!" I will answer in a rational but firm voice, "No sir I have not, Never"
Anyway, I am going into 9th grade and in my 8th grade alot of kids said they had tried marijuana before but only, hmmm, six(6) or seven(7) kids used it recreationally and on a steady basis. I wish to try shrooms, LSA and LSD maybe some day but kids these days dont knwo anything about what is real and what is not, so until I get old enough mentally and I get to a place with reliability and credibility I will not do shrooms, and DEFINANTLY NOT acid. Everything is so not regulated and they shut down all of the realiable 'cid manufactururs. LSA I feel once agian that I am not quite old enough for thought inducing substances like shrooms and all of that stuff. There are just alot of things I am too young to face about myself.
Not very many kids did pills at my school for some reason. I was always the one at social occasions to suggest it and I ALWAYS handed out the pills because while taht would get me in alot of trouble, I feel that is worth it instead of letting a kid take 7 O.C.'s trying to get "fucked up" beyond belief. Also maybe one day I will get my hands on some Ketamine if I am ever at my brothers house so that it will be a safe environment I might try it. But if you have any other questions then I would enjoy speaking with you via a private message.
Sorry for this being so long......
OHHHH I FORGOT TO ADD, THERE IS A MYTH GOING AROUND MY SCHOOL THAT THIS GIRL DOES EXCSTACY, WHICH I FIND VERY INBELIEVABLBE. MAYBE SHE THINKS SHE IS BUT COME ON, I LIVE IN GEORGIA IN A QUIET AREA AND PURE MDMA IS QUITE HARD TO COME BY...just thought this minute fact would lehp manybe

 

lol, yeah... same here man... i've been working crazy hours too, but i'm unemployed and broke as a joke. I consider painting and putting together my demo cd work though, so i guess that's just my perspective on it. anyways, so where about in georgia is this rumor coming from? I've lived all over Georgia, and I've been through just about every town on the state map, so maybe I could give you some insight depending on the location. I've got pretty good connections (no, not those kinda connections necessarilly), all over the damn state, and I've probably got a cousin in every town, so I've kinda got a good idea of what's around in my home state. Right now my folks are up in Rome, but I'm pretty much never home since gas costs so damn much right now.

Anyways, that still doesn't make those kind of rumors okay or anything... It's just a product of fear of the unknown, which is a problem that a lot of people in Georgia suffer from in a big, big way! Don't get me wrong here, I still got mad love for my home sweet home, but there really is a lot of fear between different social groups within the state, and that is why I think rumors and lies spread like wildfire throughout so many different communities. It's not just a Georgia problem, but most states in the South and most other places with a largely rural population have a lot of sharp social divisions with rivers of bullshit between them. I guess that's true anywhere you go, however, but especially during the early teen and early adult years... Anyways, I
digress

You seem like a smart kid, and I agree with a lot of your choices to abstain. I can't say that is the way that my life has turned out, but looking back on it, I think that I would have been wiser to wait until my brain had developed more. Hey, I'd much rather have people learn from my curious mistakes than follow my lead ANY DAY!!! Curiosity killed tha cat, right? Well, dogs aren't much different, nor am I, so I'd say that I'm pretty lucky to be here right now. That doesn't mean that all mistakes are tragic and terrible, rather I'm saying that the toll that each one takes isn't lessened by your perception of the experience. In other words, I believe I've done a good job of letting my own curiosity get the better of my body and mind, which is something I'm monitoring very closely these days.

I'm only 21 and I've already got a bad back, arthritis in most of my joints, a calcium deficiency, my mind doesn't work as well as it used to, and I've shifted from a relatively stable, mellow individual, and into a nearly constant state of confusion and frequent mood swings. I used to love living and staying outdoors, but as my body has essentially grown into that of a 30 year old at the least, and I keep losing hours without even realizing it, I often find myself questioning my own worth in life, as well as scrounging to find the motivation to do pretty much anything. I wish I had been smarter when I was younger... about your age, but I wasn't, and I can only blame myself for the poor choices I made. Unfortunately, that just heaps more on to the sadness I often feel when looking back at my life, and as much as I try to move on and let it pass, those demons are hard to run from when everything except those memories have become entangled within the jungles in my mind. Some of it has been my diet in combination with pot and other drugs, but I'm sure a lot of it has been just because I was already at risk for many of those conditions. I will, however, say that a lot of those conditions came as a result of my abrupt hault in drug use two years ago when I had a little run in with the campus police. Sometimes quitting quickly can cause more damage than it's worth, and I'm not sure if things would be different if I had weened off for a while. I was smoking so much pot each day that it was beyond ridiculous, however, so there is a good chance that quitting so suddenly spurred a lot of the problems in my mind which have led me to where I am... Anyways... that's enough... just keep with your plan and good luck staying on that path man... that's all I can say...

 

I live in Forsyth, between Gwinnet and Cherokee. But yea that sucks bro about all your problems and shit. Being broke sucks when your on your own I bet. Today I made a tea out of Morning Glory seeds but didnt let it sit for long enough so I wasted about 200 seeds. Really shitty. And last night I ate like 40 seeds or so and got really nausious even though they were from my plant and got a screwed up body high, then felt cool but not like trippy cool or anyting like taht just refreshed. The seeds tasted bad though. Next time how long should I let the seeds stay in for? My friend and I grinded them in a coffee grinder, wrapped them in napkin and let it sit in boiling water for like 15 or 20 minutes.... Just my recipe

 

Drugs, pot or pills which is better or more spiritual? NEITHER ONE they are equal. They change perseption, in many different and intersting ways. The natural vs synthetic excuse dosent work either because all pharms are derived for something the exists in nature. Even drugs that are completly synthetic only have the power to release chemicals that are already in your brain. It is that simple. Case closed. I have seen a done things on pills that would put some acid ive tried to shame. It is all a matter of degress, personal preference, and knowledge of what you are ingesting. And as far as supporting drug companies goes, who are you supporting when you use an illegal drug. I would certianly call the system by which "natural" drugs are dispensed a drug company. Anyway, its whatever gets you through the nigh anyway.
Pith