Fuck the establishment

WOW!!! Where to begin.... let's see.

I have the freedom to.......

Go rock climbing any time I choose.
Go kayaking any time I choose.
Go mountain biking any time I choose.
Go wakeboarding any time I choose.
Go hiking any time I choose.
Travel anywhere I want any time I choose.
Own land just about anywhere I want.
Build any type of house that I want on that land.
Own any type of vehicle I want in order to support the activities I do.
Get as high an education as I want.
Get a job and earn enough money to support myself and my government who protects my freedoms.
Own a business if I want.

good grief... this list can go on forever man. It's too sad, Psy Fox, that you choose to not experience life. Instead, you would rather complain that you have no freedoms.

My turn to ask the question now.

Just what in the hell are you wanting that you can't already have if you wanted it?

Oh, and you shouldn't use big words if you don't know what they mean and can't spell them correctly. It's USURP and I don't think middle class women (bourgeoise) are seizing our rights and dumping chemicals.

 

If you are poor then you don't the freedoms you mentioned above, even you can go to the jail for a crime you didn't commit, if the ruling class thought you were worth the effort of framing you.

Looking at the plight of the international proletariat, right now Iraqi oil workers, not only are fighting aginst fundamentalist but US imperalist trying to bust their right to orginize and their right to work for a decent living, the US even tried lowing their wages lower then that cheap bastered Saddam paid, until the oil union orginized a general strike to stop all work in Iraq. Elsewhere the US sent over US trained terrorist to Colombia to bust unions over there, and back in North America you have Wall-Mart busting union, so where is the workers right to orginize?

I can't be truly free, till all my comrads are free!

Do you have to be such an ass over typos?

 

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What freedom is there currently? The laws don't protect me,
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Think hard about whether you actually mean this...

 

I think the saying "We hang the petty theifs and appoint the great ones to public office" fits here, Bush will never hang for his crimes, because of laws are not there to protect the little guy.

 

You know what else fits here? "STFU or do something about it".

Actually, yes I do. When you say that the bourgeoise?????? (middle class women??????????) are dumping chemicals and killing us with the military industrial complex.... UH!!! YEAH!!! that's a pretty damn pathetic typo!

Pathetic posts are just a reflection of the persons disinterest in the subject and their own opinion. I'm not saying a post has to be perfect, but it can at least be a reasonable attempt. In your case, it just shows you were pulling shit out your ass trying to sound intelligent and it backfired.

 

Because Walmart don't allow unions, all other unions are suddenly void? Fuck that man, there are all kinds of unions in the US that do a decent job protecting the worker (not perfect, but decent).

As far as international workers go, well, they have to form their own unions. There is, by your own statement, an oil union in Iraq. Workers in other fields should follow their example, if they haven't already. Yeah it's hard, it was hard here when we started, and it's still hard sometimes.

But I don't see why you can say that here in the USA you're not free. Our freedoms may be in some jeapordy, and there are a lot of things you need money for, but the opprotunities are there. Is it perfect, no, but it's better than most.

Well, then you'll never be free. Appreciate what you have, because it's better than most, and it's an insult to them who are oppressed to ignore it.

 

Doesn't chage the fact, that Walmart workers right to organize is being violated, McDonalds also violate workers right as do other work places.

Yet workers should be as one, US oil workers should have striked with Iraqi oil workers, sending a message to Bush that they won't work till the demands of their Iraqi comrads are met.

Yet if we don't stand with our comrads then the world will never get better, today we can build a better world if we band together. The bourgeois (property-owning class) can't stand up to a global strike and a halt on global production for long, meaning the workers of the world have the power to change the world if they band together.

 

Hmmm... basically everyone is being forced to stay there then? Last I heard people can quit a job anytime they choose. Add that to the list of our freedoms! Just because they are scared about not finding another job doesn't mean a damn thing because it doesn't change their right to leave!

 

And workers have the right to strike, yet McDonalds and Wall-Mart closes every store that unionizes, this is why workers must stick together.

 

In the absence of a contractual agreement to the contrary, any employee has a right to withhold his labor services from an employer if he doesn't like the pay and benefits the employer offers. If each individual has this right, then a group of like-minded individuals can exercise this right together. In other words, all individuals who want to may withhold their labor services at the same time. If this concerted action induces the employer to acquiesce to the workers' terms, so be it. That will depend on the relative bargaining power of the two sides, and neither side has a natural right to any bargaining power advantage. Each side's bargaining power depends on the attractiveness of its alternatives.

However, and this is the central point, notwithstanding Section 13 of the National Labor Relations Act, like-minded workers who simultaneously withhold their labor services have no legitimate right to interfere in any way with the right of the struck employer to engage in voluntary exchanges with customers, suppliers, and other workers. Workers who are willing to work for a strike employer who wishes to hire them have a legitimate right to do so. Moreover, they may agree to accept the very terms of employment that the strikers consider to be unacceptable. Replacement workers have the same job-related natural rights as striking workers.

Unionists resort to name-calling to imply that replacement workers don't have the same voluntary exchange rights as other workers. "Strike breakers" and, even more pejoratively, "scabs" are typical epithets. Jack London, for example, once wrote, "After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, the vampire, He had some awful substance left with which he made a scab." Richard Trumka, president of the United Mine Workers, who led the Pittston strike, thought it sufficient to say, "Replacement worker is a nice refinement in terminology, but a scab is a scab" to make a case against employers who hire replacements. But scabs are human, and as Thomas Jefferson would put it, they are endowed by their Creator with the same unalienable rights as any other human. Notwithstanding the tenets of legal positivism, not even Congress can justly take away unalienable rights.

 

The problem with McDonalds and Wall-Mart is they fire workers as soon they find out they are pro-union, in the event workers to the point of a vote, McDonalds and Wall-Marts hires a bunch of hard line anti-unions just to swing the vote (only to fire these people after the vote), after all that when the workers get a union they close down the location.

This is the reason for solidaridy of workers, the workers must be as one, there need to be general strikes to help our comrads at McDonalds and Wall-Mart, also our comrads elseware.

 

Good grief man!!!!

The simple fact is.... PEOPLE ARE WORKING AT WALMART AND MCDONALDS!!

There will always be people willing to work for their terms. I just saw a show last night about WALMART supporting china supplier over a US company supplier. WALMART is without a doubt a shit company. But that doesn't change anything when people need a job!

 

Yet Wal-Mart and McDonalds violates their workers right to organize, a general strike with all workers withholding their labour, grinding the whole economy to a halt, would put prevent Wal-Mart and McDonalds from bashing unions, as it would not just be McDonalds and Wal-Mart workers but the entire work force on strike in solidarity, fighting for the right of every worker to organize, meaning the US would be dark till every US workers right to organize is recognized.

 

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

 

Look, I believe in free market capitalism as much as the next guy, but...
Wal-Mart has been proven to force their employees to work overtime without pay. They have been proven to employ illegal aliens. They have been proven to encourage their workers to go "on the dole" for welfare and state medical assistance to offset their illegally low salaries and refusal to provide benefits. In effect, then, state governments are subsidizing WAL-MART, and allowing them to undercut legitimate businesses in price (besides the fact that wal mart buys so much of their crap from COMMUNIST, HUMAN-RIGHTS ABUSING, RED CHINA). In effect, states are subsidizing wal-mart for taking over smaller and community businesses.
In my state, they tried to enact a law compelling wal mart to cover the health insurance of their (not quite allowed by corporate to be full time) employees. The REPUBLICAN governor, whom I actually voted for, vetoed this bill. Now, my tax dollars go to aiding wal wart in pushing out legitimate, law-abiding, and moral businesses, further increasing sprawl and the walmartization of america. I say F*** THEM! I wish every wal mart would burn down. The sad thing is, the poor dupes they FORCED to work there have no idea how much they are taken advantage of, for the most part. Wal Mart is the poster child for non-free market capitalism, for government-corporate duplicity, for cheap jobs offered at high cost. In other words-and I am hesitant to use this word in many cases-but they are EVIL. They must be eradicated. Stop buying their cheap crap! This is NOT true capitalism. This is state-sponsored corporate tyrrany.

 

They swing votes by hiring anti-union workers just before a vote to unionize, they fire union organizers and close down locations that unionize.

Wal-Mart and McDonalds must be punished for their crimes aginst labour, and only when labour stands as one will the suits respect workers right to organize.

 

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


One of these days, you guys will awaken from your la la land and realize that people are FREE not FORCED to work or not work at places like Walmart.

Walmart is, without a doubt, a shitbag company, in my opinion as well, but apparently they are keeping within the laws enough that aren't getting shutdown by millions of lawyers. People continue to work there so they must not be getting to abused. Anyone is free to walk out of there any time they choose. Just because they are scared to has no bearing on this issue. It doesn't matter WTF hardcore Walmart haters think, because usually it's over the top bullshit anyway. Where is the middle ground? Where is the responsibility of the American worker to take charge of their own decisions and quit acting like cry babies? Most people who talk shit are usually the ones who sit around on their ass waiting for other people to stand up and do something. These Walmart workers who do get on TV and talk shit simply go back to stocking the shelves afterwards. HEY!! I KNOW!! why not walk the fuck out of the store and grab a picket sign or find another job. If enough people stick together something might get done, but that will never happen. As I said before, there will always be people willing to work by their terms. This whole bitch at Walmart fest is never going to accomplish anything. Try bitching at the American workers who continue working there.

 

If they don't work, they can't pay the bills.

I said what is need is solidaridy, but not just wal-mart workers, but all workers. If there was a general strike aimed at the ecomony in general, in protest aginst all empoyers that abuse the workers right to organize, things will get done faster.

 

Please!!!!!!!! So that forces them to work at Walmart? Get with reality man! That forces everyone to work somewhere and has nothing to do with only Walmart.

LOL! You think I'm going to quit my job to support somebody else who chooses to work at Walmart? Again.. get with reality!

Your theory is nothing new by the way, everyone with half a damn brain knows that if the entire work force went on strike we would make an impact. It's a fantasy though and will never happen. However, you are more then welcome to keep believeing in it as a solution.

 

There is a shortage of jobs, so it means that Walmarts and McDonalds stratagy of closing all locations that unionize, is very effiective. It means to the workers, unionizing means losing their jobs as Walmart and McDonalds just walks.

Strike, not quit, as in once managment gives into the demands of the workers, you go back to your job.

1968 Paris France and there are other examples of general strikes.