I Miss Arafat!!!

I miss Arafat so fucking much!!

 

have you met his brother arathin.....?

 

Being half Palestinian, I miss him too. And if people wanna label him a terrorist, then they have to label Bush, Blair, Sharon, Netanyahu, etc. terrorists as well. When someone wants to defend his people from an Israeli government that doesn't give Palestinians their human rights, I hardly call that a terrorist. The Israeli government kicked people out of their homes on May 15, 1948 (my dad's birth), it has ILLEGALLY occupied their land since 1967, it has ILLEGALLY taken over Jerusalem which was declared a universal city (not for Palestinians or Israelis) by the UN, it has numerous war criminals in its cabinet, it has been building an ILLEGAL wall as declared once again by the UN, it has been destroying homes and fields to build it and annex more land in the process, etc. And you're calling Arafat the terrorist because he's defending his people?

I find it quite ironic that the UN was created after WWII to prevent wars and genocide, same genocide the Jews suffered, and now the Jews are commiting genocide on the Palestinians. I guess the Torah/Bible says "Do onto others what others have done onto you." Even though in this case, the Palestinians aren't Nazis but oh well... And if you dare criticize them, you are labelled anti-semetic (which I'm sure someone is about to say I am, even though I have many Jewish friends), yet they don't even realize what the word means. It's just overly abused. I'm more semetic than most Jews because I'm Arab. And real Jews don't support Israel anyway. It's supposed to be created once the Messiah returns. Where is this Messiah? Modifying religion to suit their needs. And to think, that in this day and age, someone can actually say "God told me that this is my land, so I must have it!" Are serious? OK then, last night I talked to God, and he/she/it told me that Yankee Stadium belongs to me, and that I should build a shrine there to honour this God...

In the end, Israel is just a US asset. They need it to control the oil in the area, because the supply in South America is running low. Maybe that's why the US gives Israel over 3 billion dollars a year, making them the two countries with the most nukes. Whenever the UN wants to pass a resolution against Israel, every single country in the world approves except the US, and they veto the vote, nullifying what the entire planet believes. Does that mean every country in the world is "anti-semetic" except the US? Probably not, they just don't have pro-Israeli Jews in their government and aren't trying to control the world's supply of oil. And for those who think otherwise, maybe it's because you get your info from mainstream media, which is clearly biased. Do some research on who works/owns most news agencies/newspapers. Most are pro-Israeli Jews. Even here in Canada, the largest one, CanWest Global, was owned by Israel Asper (now his sons owns it because he passed away). The CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation), the most trusted and unbiased news agency in Canada, even had a one hour show interviewing the Asper sons, and proving that they were biased. They didn't even bother hiding it...

 

arafat was a terrorist and pheonyxx is right bush and blari etc. are terrorists also....but that doesn't make arafat less of one

 

Maybe so, but the only reason he's labelled a terrorist is because he isn't a Prime Minister or a President. And the only reason he isn't a Prime Minister or a President is because Palestine is being ILLEGALLY occupied. If they were given their land back, and he could've been elected, then what would you have labelled him? A dictator? Please... I really don't understand how even though people always refer to it as being an ILLEGAL occupation (which it is), a lot of people seem to still side with Israel and fail to see why there is a retaliation by the ILLEGALLY occupied Palestinians...

As for suicide bombers and what not... They are not Palestinian, they are idiots. And I don't doubt that many of those suicide bombers are Israeli (to make it look like a Palestinian). How convenient is it, to blow himself up, that way you can't really tell who it really was... I for one do not believe in killing, whether it's myself (suicide) or someone else. Then again, I have family there and know what they have to go through every day, so I dunno how I would react in that situation. But there are assholes everywhere. Was Timothy McVeigh (if it really was him) a terrorist? I also believe he was a Christian (as am I, on paper...). Should we hate all Christians because of what one asshole did? Should we hate all Americans because of what he did (because he was American)? Should we hate all Muslims because of bin Laden (CIA asset) or Saddam? I don't think so...

And if anyone truely believes that bin Laden (CIA asset) did what he did for Muslims around the world, you're pathetic. Do you really think that bin Laden said "Hey, I know! I'll kill a bunch of Americans! Yeah! That's gonna give Muslims a good name!" Come on now... You really think bin Laden is working for Muslims? Who really had something to gain in the attacks? Muslims? Hell no, they have been discriminated against ever since, and it's been tuff on them at airports, etc. I hope I don't have to tell you who really had something to gain...

 

I am Jewish. I have committed genocide on no one. You get mad because people label you as anti-semetic, and I'm sure you're not. But you have to be careful about who you're accusing of committing what. You also said that Jews are occupying Israel illegally (which is hard to do from New York), and than you turn around and say that "real" Jews don't believe in Zionism, which doesn't make sense, either. I know I sound like I'm splitting hairs, but I get so much crap these days about being Jewish and that means I go around shooting at all the Muslims I see (including the one's who've never been to Israel, either) because of semantics like that. I don't hate Muslims. I'm not an ISRAELI, and I don't hate PALESTINIANS, either.

Honestly, I don't even really involve myself in the issue. I don't know all about the Israel\Palestine conflict, and I like it that way. Everyone thinks I'm supposed to be super involved in a conflict that has nothing to do with me in a land I've never even seen, but I'm not.

 

Well first of all, you know what I meant when I said Jews are commiting genocide on Palestinians. I was talking about the state of Israel. Last time I checked, Jews live there. And I did not say Jews are occupying Israel illegally, I said Israel is illegally occupying the international city known as Jerusalem and Palestinian land (Gaza Strip + West Bank). Also, I know you had nothing to do with it, neither do my many Jewish friends (also mentioned). What I didn't mention was Zionism, but I'm glad you brought it up, because that's exactly what lead to the creation of Israel in the first place. Zionism (not Judaism) is racism. It is the belief that Jews are the chosen ones by God and are superior to everyone else (ironic isn't it, because I believe the Nazis also thought they were superior to everyone else and that's why they started that ethnic cleansing known as the Holocaust). And that's what Israel (not Jews) is doing to the Palestinians. As for not wanting to involve yourself in the issue, that's part of the problem right there. The Israeli government doesn't really give a rat's ass what Palestinians think or have to say, but if more Jews stepped up to the plate, maybe they'd listen to them.

About a year ago, I changed my nick on MSN to the following...

Jews hate Arafat. Arabs hate Sharon. Many Jews support Palestine. How many Arabs support Israel? None. I wonder why...

Seems a little too simple, but often times, the answer is right in front of us without even realizing it. If all Jews hated Palestine, and all Arabs hated Israel, it would be 50/50 and nothing could really be done. The fact that some Jews support Palestine and are against Israel, what it stands for, and what it's doing to the Palestinians just goes to show you that there is a problem with Israel and it needs to be fixed. One of these problems is what is known as Birth Right. Why is it that any Jew from anywhere around the world is allowed to go to Israel (often for free) to visit "their" land, and my dad, who was actually born there, isn't allowed to visit his brother? How come someone who has no ties to that land whatsoever is allowed to go back and forth (often for free) and my dad cannot? And people claim that Israel/Zionism is not racist and that it is the only democracy in the area. Nice democracy...

Zionism = Nazism = Racism

Educate yourself. Go read some books by Noam Chomsky (Jewish) or the book entitled "The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering" by Norman G. Finkelstein (also Jewish) just to name a few.

Note: When I say the problem is Israel, what I really mean is the Israeli government; it's just shorter to write. Citizens aren't the problem, governments are.

 

No.

 

Arafat is not a terrorist you racist fuck. :$
PLO 4 Life!!!!

 

At best, you're deluded. At worst, you're an idiot. Arafat publicly and repeatedly vowed to destroy the nation of Israel. Period. Maybe he didn't actually pick up a gun or order any bombings but he INCITED OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THESE THINGS. This is not as simple as, "Well, gee, I may have designed the airplane but I wasn't actually the person who flew it into the WTC so I'm not responsible". It's a little more complicated than that.

OK, so let's look at some of the GOOD things Yassir did...

OK... um... He was there for a lot of photo ops, shook a lot of hands with Sharon and Netanyahu and the bombings and the slaughter of schoolchildren continued. He offered the prospect of peace in the holy lands in return for land. Not peace itself, mind you, but only the prospect of peace. Because he was too much of a terrorist and a coward to offer peace itself. OK Mr Wolf. I'll give you half of my grazing field and in return you have to promise not to slaughter my sheep. Promise?

What kind of idiot would accept those terms?

And a final question: In the later years, as leader of the PLO, then the Palestinian Authority, he was in charge, he was the final authority. What kind of a leader, what kind of a soldier, as he often called himself, could not control his people? Why did the killing continue if he was truly in charge of the the PLO and he wanted it to stop and promised that it would in order for the peace process to continue?

Answer: Because he was a poor leader.

FYI: I am also a Jew by birth, though I have never been to the Holy Lands and I have not practiced Judaism since around the time of the six day war. I find the killings there to be an abomination on both sides. All concerned should be tried for war crimes, from Chaim Weizman (were he still alive) all the way to Bill Clinton and Hannan Ashwari.

 

You fail to see the point... These people are being ILLEGALLY occupied. And Arafat can't be the leader if they are being occupied. If he was the leader, Palestine would be a state and not under occupation. As for stating that he encourages people to attack Israeli soldiers, there is no proof only speculations, although I don't doubt that he did. I'm not saying he's a saint, but to have him captive in his compound for months at a time... The world knows who the real terrorists are: the American GOVERNMENT and the Israeli GOVERNMENT! Note that I said government, not people like you and me. And in a world with let's say 6.3 billion people, when 6 billion of them are against the American and Israeli governments, I'm pretty sure they have a reason; and I for one believe that the majority of our planet is sane, and hence, 6 billion of them must be onto something...


When people from an occupied state kill others, they are refered to as acts of terrorism...
When people from a non-occupied state kill others, they should be refered to as acts of genocide, which is the case in point...

 

Ugh... Sometimes I just wish they could make it one fucking country. I've had it up to here with all of the goings on there... I mean, I feel sorry for the people of both countries because while we're over here in North America spending billions on protecting ourselves from terrorism or whatever the hell, we're contradicting that by trying to help Iraq and whatnot, pissing off the entire world and fucking with everything that was working fine before the Bush administration started toying with shit (ie: economy, budget, PBS, NPR, healthcare, social security) and attemping to scare the hell out of all its citizens and the rest of the planet, meanwhile Palestine and Israel are at each other's throats and have been since anyone can remember. I bet if there's extra-terrestrials in some distant galaxy or planet that know what's going on here, they're probably laughing their asses off at us right now.

 

No, I see it as clear as day. Native Canadians are being illegally occupied by YOU. Native Americans are being illegally occupied by ME. After all, we STOLE our countries the same way Israel "stole" Palestine. Why aren't we working on these issues? There are very few places left on earth that are NOT being occupied by someone other than the rightful and indigenous people.

Arafat's compound was in Tunis, not Palestine. He was allowed to come and go as he please, hence he spent lots of time on French TV drumming up support from the French, the PLO's second largest contributor, and doing annual interviews with Barbara Walters, Mike Wallace, etc.

Exactly what does this mean? It's like debating the merits of Matricide over Infanticide. Killing is killing and it needs to stop.

 

Well said Zoomie. Wouldn't it be beautiful if everybody could live anywhere and the world "belonged" to noone? *sigh*
I think at least we can agree on one thing: This conflict is useless and terrorism helps noone, from either side. Sometimes I think that the reason for conflicts like the ones in Palestine or also in Northern Ireland and various other places go back such a long time, that people often don't even know why they actually hate each other. But as long as the hate is passed on to the children, it will go on and on and on.

 

For a long time I felt that survival went to the fittest and as a Celt, that to the courageous all things belong. But that entire situation is ludicrous. I don't agree with either colonization or Zionist expansion in Palestine and I don't agree with US support for Israel. I certainly don't agree that killing each other is the solution. Arafat was just not a good guy. Not bad on the scale of Adolf Hitler, more like bad on the scale of Ronald Reagan.

BTW, if you read my posts, you'll see that I refer to Israel as an entity but Palestine as a country.

 

Actually, you once again fail to see what I meant by ILLEGAL occupation, but make a valid point about North America. What I meant to say was in 1948, the UN partitioned the area into Palestine, Israel, and the universal city of Jersulaem. In 1967, Israel took over Palestine and Jersusalem and has been ILLEGALLY occupying them ever since. I guess you just wanna understand what you wanna understand...

 

No, what I do not want to do is argue semantics. I don't care if God himself gave them sanction, they still stole the land.

So we really don't disagree on much except Arafat.

 

Sharon is an Asshole! Nuff said!

 

Forget about 6 billion served, that last statement shows why 51% of Americans are hated by 6 billion people. Osama is as American as McDonald's, he's a CIA asset, and for all we know, he's working at a McD's near Guantanamo.

When there isn't an enemy to fight, you have to manufacture one...

 

i say we clone arafat. how could you not love that face?