right and wrong

Discussion in 'Politics' started by joker, Jun 3, 2005.

  1. joker

    joker Senior Member

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    I take it we all have different opinions on what's right and wrong rather we're democrats, republicans, liberals, anarcho, marxist, ect. Personally I decide for myself what's right and wrong, but take responsibility for my action rather the law thinks it's right or not.

    Here's a list of what I think is wrong:
    Murder, unless it's in self-defense
    Harming a child, when someone does that I start to believe in the death penalty
    Rape
    Harrasment
    Racism, Sexism, and homophobia

    That's all I can think of right now. I'd be here forever if I wrote down what I think is right.
     
  2. Boss_d.j.

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    what are your thoughts on abortion? i think its wrong when used as birth control, but htere are some instances where it is needed.
     
  3. joker

    joker Senior Member

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    Abortion is kinda a tough subject for me to decide if it's right or wrong. If I got a girl pregnant I wouldn't want her to get an abortion because to me it would feel like she'd be killing part of me and her. If that makes sense.
     
  4. Boss_d.j.

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    i agree but what if a girl is raped and will risk her life (and the babie's) by carrying it?
     
  5. joker

    joker Senior Member

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    then in that case I think it's okay.
     
  6. Boss_d.j.

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    yea, i think pretty much everbody does, except in my class... we had a debate and about half the girls thought you should go to hell if you had one and the baby would go too...scary
     
  7. Kandahar

    Kandahar Banned

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    -Force
    -Fraud

    That's about it...
     
  8. Boss_d.j.

    Boss_d.j. Member

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    rush limbaugh
     
  9. Communism

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    I'm a marxist, and I can agree with the list Joker gave us.

    I'm also undecided on abortion, but I do not like it at all.
     
  10. HonkyTonk

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    What's wrong: Communism, wealth redistribution, theft, murder, abortion, any malice towards a child, and sodomy :)
     
  11. FNA

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    Communism isn't wrong...it may be kinda impractical, but it's no more wrong than capitalism.

    I'm not sure what wealth redistribution is....but if it means lessening the extremes of lower and upper classes then that's not wrong either.

    Abortion isn't wrong. Everyone has a right to do what they will with their body, especially considering that there are far too many people in the world already, let alone orphans, or fatherless loveless poor families.

    Sodomy isn't wrong either. You could say it's unnatural, and, well, gross, but there is nothing wrong with sexual exploration.
     
  12. Eugene

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    Y'know sodomy includes oral sex, right? and what can be more right than a blow job....

    anyways my list is...
    Ignorance.


    That's it... really everything else is just a by-product of ignorance...
     
  13. HonkyTonk

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    Sodomy was a joke. I don't care what people do to get their kicks.

    Abortion is wrong if murder is wrong.
     
  14. Murder, killing another is not wrong, but murder is
    torture
    Manipulation by physiological or psycological means
    10 commandments stuff
    hipocrisy
    doing something poorly intentionally
    bad food
    injustice

    not by any means a complete list....
     
  15. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    The only "right" thing is that right and wrong are completely subjective, and there is no absolute right and wrong. Societies on a whole decide what they consider to be "right" and "wrong" for their citizens.

    Personally, i think greed, intolerance, and wastefulness is wrong. But I could list a million things I believe to be right and wrong...
     
  16. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

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    Well, you have to admit that murder only applies to living things, and as embarassing as it is the difference between being alive and being dead is largely subjective and arbitrary.
    Are fish alive? are monkey's alive? what makes killing a monkey or a fish not murder?

    It's all up to the individual though, and though my views on when life begins and ends are different than yours i guess we all just have to agree to disagree and learn to get along.

    Besides, abortion is kind of a woman's issue, we should leave it up to them....
     
  17. when I kill a fish that has the potential to solve 8*64 then I'll be a murderer... I've yet to have myself killed a monkey I will indeed say I benefit from the deaths of monkeys every day, but I also benefit from the deaths of humans every day (as do you regardless of your life style) so I suppose I could be called a murderer for that, monkeys are pretty fucking smart...... but I still think that killing something that is smart as that (or smarter) should be avoided....

    and yes I.Q. does matter to me I am an elitist bastard, and flames about how elitist I am will be ignored
     
  18. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

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    But then that would mean that it would be allright to kill off anyone dumber than you are, besides when was the last time you met a zygot that could do long division?
    Do you want mensa running around with machetes?

    Orang-utans are our closest living relative, sharing 98% of our DNA, although they can't do long division, they can recongize themselves in mirrors, walk upright in some cases (in one case all the time), form complex societal interactions and use rudimentrey tools.
    A zygot can't do that, so logically a zygot is 'less alive' than an orang-utan?

    P.S. I'm in the 99% percentile I.Q. wise, can i kill you?
     
  19. namastegoddess

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    i agree with jokers list, and i feel abortion should be left up to the individual to decide.
     

  20. I said potential..... a fetus has potential....... and I'm top 1 percent, only 6000000 peers +however many the population is off of 6 billion.......

    so I don't suppose that means you can.... I still gave monkeys an in if you didn't realize, I said I hadn't killed any, the day I kill a monkey or an animal a stonesthrow away from me and it's something that would be typefied as murder (not defensive, not a proportional response etc...) then I'll be a murderer, till then I'm just as moral as any son of a bitch who buys shit from wal mart and knows how badly people in bangledesh are getting screwed over.......
     

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