No Smoking Ban

smoking is inconsiderate? if you dont like it why dont you be the betetr man and walk outside, or to the non smoking section.

 

Why should a non smoker have to walk outside while a smoker pollutes up a building, makes it smelly, disgusting..bleah. And all smoking/non-smoking sections I've ever seen were a big joke with the smoking section right beside the non-smoking with barely any barrier whatsoever.

It's not allowed in buildings in FL and all these businesses seem to be doing JUST fine.

If they can't get business just because they don't allow smoking, maybe they need to look at their business? Maybe it's just not good enough for people to bother? My husband smokes and has no issue with going to GOOD restaurants that don't allow it. I still honestly just DON'T understand why SOME smokers get so irrate over the whole issue. It's a BAD HABIT...it CAN BE EASILY STOPPED IF THE SMOKER JUST TRIES...and they SHOULD try. If they quit, no more worrying about the smoking bans, no more wasting money on these things, no more dealing with people who get so irritated about smokers/smoking. I mean COME ON. If they just try it could EASILY be a complete NON-issue.

 

DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO QUIT CIGARRETES, THE MOST ADDICTIVE DRUG OUT THERE? ITS NOT THAT EASY. THEY GET PISSED CAUSE THEY NEED THAT CIGARRETE TO CALM EM DOWN

 

The whole of New Zealand has a smoking ban in indoor public places (bars, clubs, restaurants, workplaces etc..) Anywhere with a roof and (i think it's) at least two walls is now 'indoors' and you can't smoke inside it.

Not only are those of us that don't smoke happy, because we don't have to breathe in the noxious fumes of smokers or get the smell in our clothes, but smokers get some benefits too. You see yes, they have to go outside but apparently there's this thing called 'smirting' where the rejected smokers find a rejected friend and they start flirting over their smokes.

 

i dont like any one tellin me what to fucking do.

 

Is it really THAT inconsiderate to smoke? You probably say yes. Well, for one it is also inconsiderate to sit there and bash smokers when you have no idea what it is like to be addicted. It is also inconsiderate to just sit on your ass in a restaurant complaining about smokers when you have all the ability to get up leave. You know what else is inconsiderate to people and the environment? Ripping up forests, factory pollution, telling me I don't look the part to go to college, kicking your kid out because they are gay when they're 16, people in the non-smoking and smoking sections at restaurants look at me like I'm a complete freak because I dress 'odd' to them, and a lot of other things. A lot of things are seen differently by many different people. What you see as inconsiderate (ex: lighting a cig), might seem essential to someone else. You can't base a law on such strongly varied opinions. It is also useless. Just like the old ban on alcohol that was removed. People would smoke anyways. I know I would. I know my rights, and no one is going to tell me what to put in MY body, and it is your right to get up and leave a restuarant or area instead of sitting there and glaring at the smokers for an hour.

peace
kels

 

Yeah I know how fuckin hard it is, I've seen my dad try to quit, and have seen my husband try and quit. Thing is, if they'd just KEEP TRYING, WORK TO GET BETTER, and use the MANY resources available for quitting, they'd overcome that addiction quite easily. I KNOW how pissed they get, but they don't get any pity from me for it. My husband has admitted that he was dumb to even start smoking KNOWING it was so addictive and SO readily available. He did it anyway, and he WANTS to quit. He has before and he can again and has already planned to when he gets back home and I actually had NOTHING to do with that decision, it was all his, FOR HIS OWN BENEFIT! It is more BENEFICIAL to STOP SMOKING. So like I said, and am saying again, if the smokers would just use the available resources, get the help they need that is also SO readily available, and WORK to get BETTER, then this would all be a non-issue.

I don't know why people feel like a smoking addiction is such a hard thing to get help for. It's not. People get help for other addictions all the freakin time, but for some reason a smoking addiction is just fine and dandy to have except to the non-smokers around you who actually just don't enjoy being near it anymore.

 

Oh yeah, and I personally overcame an addiction to self-harming, I also overcame a horrible, debilitating depression that had me severely suicidal. I overcame those with therepy and medicine. I used my available resources to GET HELP. If I can do that, why the fuck can't smokers quit to save themselves as well as to stop indirectly harming the people around them?

Funny thing...my best friend today, after having just smoked a cigarette right there next to me, had a neighbors cat jump into her lap (adorable little thing), and then she actually said "aw kitty...I want to smoke another one, but I don't want you to have to breathe that, poor thing." And waited for it to jump off before lighting another one. God forbid the cat breathe it in, but it's ok for me? hmm...I mentioned it, but I wasn't a bitch about it. I literally just thought it was funny. I honestly am not a bitch about it in person , just on here

 

No matter how horrible you think 2nd hand smoking is it boils down to the business owner's right. If you don't like their place having no problem with smoking, just go somewhere else.
I find it funny how people love to ramble about Freedom, etc. but at the first occasion to be more lazy and have things at their feet they forget about it. Privately owned place are not the Public Services you know.
I don't care if all owners end up agreeing on some chart but not if someone take their freedom away because part of the clientèle is too lazy to go somewhere else.
What's next ? When you have non-smoking guests the law forbid you to smoke ?
COMMUNISTS !!!1!11!

 

Amen, brother.

 

ummm...it's not an "opinion" that smoking is bad for you and causes cancer. None is going to tell me what to put in my body either (especially when it's deadly), you're not giving us a choice. You can smoke in your own privacy, but no one else should have to inhale that crap.

 

A lot of things are deadly, including prescription drugs. And don't give me your bullshit that we aren't giving you a choice to enhale it. If it bothers you so much at restaurants or areas then maybe you shouldn't go to those areas.Wear a fucking gas mask if it worries you that much, I would think all the pollution in our air would bother you more than the smoke from a cigarette all the way across the park or restraunt in a specific smoking area. I'm sorry you have to enhale it, and you just have to bitch about smoke while standing inches away from the smoking section. It's our right. And if you don't agree, well, more power to ya. Oh and it IS an opinion that smoking is annoying to a specific person.

peace
kels

 

Who is making you take prescription drugs? How does it affect you if someone else takes prescription drugs? I don't care what people do to their own bodies, but when it affects mine in a serious way, as second-hand smoke does, then it is my business and it's wrong.

People should be able to go to a park and breathe clean air.

Air pollution does bother me, and cigarette smoke is air pollution.

More and more restaurants and other businesses are agreeing that it isn't your right.

 

Yes! I have seen that myself. While most restaurants have separate smoking and non-smoking sections some did put them right next to each other. I was sitting in the smoking section minding my own business when a non smoker, who has the whole restaurant to choose from, sits in the smoking section right behind me and starts complaining. Even complained to the manager who inelegantly asked her why she was sitting in the smoking section. He then politely suggested she move to a table in the non smoking section (which was a nicer section anyway). The lady belligerently replied that she had the right to sit where she wanted. The manager continued to try and reason with her but to no avail. Finally he threw up his hands and walked away. The manager gave me a free dessert for all the aggravation I had to deal with(you should have seen the look on her face when I got a free dessert). Anyway I decided to ignore her, enjoy my dessert and chain smoke until I left.

Now you know that is complete BS. I completely understand that people do not want to have cigarette smoke blown in their face while eating in an enclosed restaurant but now you suggest that people who smoke outside are causing you harm is absurd. When you chuck away the keys to your car, lobby to shut down every factory, restaurant,power plant and business in your area then you can come back and complain how cigarette smoking causes air pollution. Until then, you are simply a radical non smoker who does not want people to smoke anywhere. To be honest you are not worth further comment.

Actually that has no basis in fact what so ever. I know that restaurants are starting to suffer since the ban and so are other businesses. They have had to raise their prices and cut staff. In 2006 it is going to be a campaign issue. Right now our state legislature is considering rewriting the ban to allow restaurants and bars to allow a separate non-smoking sections.

 

The government should not be allowed to smoke our freedom.

 

Well while that was incredibly retarded of that woman to do, Most of the time, when it's a problem for me, it's when the restaurant is a little busier and we are seated by the hostess, and sometimes it is right next to the smoking section. If it's not THAT busy of course I would ask if it'd be possible to sit somewhere further away, but if it's pretty full I don't have that option. And like I said, most restaurants I've been in have truly laughable seperations between the two sections.

As for your experience there though, you deserved that free desert What a moron.

I just haven't seen an issue in FL. The restaurants I go to are doing quite well, and I just don't see where they are losing ANY business for not allowing smoking inside.

Anyone who would stop going to a restaurant they enjoy though, just because they wouldn't be allowed to smoke there, is a bit silly if you ask me.

 

No one is making us take them. They are dangerous though and the government allows them. And again with the second-hand smoke do you really think the air would be completely clean and pure if everyone stopped smoking? You know that's bullshit.

Okay then you can also take out every car and bus that realeases exhaust in the world. Good luck. Also if you are standing all the way on the other side of a park than a smoker it is very doubtful you will still get the smoke in your lungs. It will be dilluted into the air almost totally and will mix in with all the other air pollutions you think are okay to not bitch about.

Again, do you really think making everyone stop smoking would make the air all tidy and perfect? No. Yes, it would contribute to nicer air, but then again who really cares if your lungs are full of tar anyways? We are just stupid smokers, right? We don't breath in air pollution like you guys, so we can't bitch. Eh, yeah we can. Smoking is most commonly an addiction. You can walk to work and not pollute our air with your car. But you don't. So why should we.

Half of those businesses are all ran by the same big ol' boss who runs every company everywhere, and I'm sure a lot of those are tobacco. They can't talk. I bet half their employees take smoke breaks.

In the end it still stands on the fact it is our right. Even if that might change in the future. For now, it is our right, and just with our right of freedom of speech were going to take advantage of what we have. If you think it is at the expense of your lungs, than I'm sorry, but for now the law isn't changing.


peace
kels

 

Sorry for the double post but I'm also wondering if it bugs you so much than bring it up with the manager of the restaurant or area you are at? Bitching on line doesn't make you some activist, it's stupid. Your not changing anything. Save your breath for a nice fat letter written to your state or something.

peace
kels