New Florida Gun Law as National Model

Witnesses and friends of the six Deltona mass murder victims now say authorities have recovered four baseball bats that may have been used in the killings. The six victims were found stabbed and beaten to death in a home on Telford Lane on Thursday of last week. The "Daytona Beach News-Journal" reports the four bats were found in a wooded area Wednesday night, and it appeared that a box which may have contained a machete and a billy club was also found. The Volusia County Sheriff's Office would not confirm or deny the reports. Four suspects are in custody. One of the victims was remembered with a memorial earlier this week. The second funeral is scheduled for tomorrow.

 

Adolpho Hernandez was executed today for the Sept. 30, 1988, robbery and murder of 69-year-old Elizabeth Alvarado who was beaten to death with a baseball bat inside her Lubbock, Texas, home."

 

On the night of October 21, 2000, as my brother was searching for his girlfriend, he came across four people, whom he had mistaken for friends, they told him that they would aid him in his search. Charlie had no reason not to believe them, he got in their car, along with the two boys and the two girls. They drove him to a remote country cemetery, when Charlie realized that all was not right, it was too late, there was nothing that he could do, his fate was sealed. One began to beat him in the back of the head with an aluminum baseball bat, then he was robbed and left to die. As they drove away, they looked back and he was trying to stand, trying desperately to save his own life that he so desperately wanted to live. Instead of getting him the help that he so urgently needed, they partied all that weekend; while he laid, suffered and finally died. The incident took place on a Saturday night, one Sunday night, one or more of them returned to check on him, he was moved to an adjacent wooded area and covered with limbs and leaves. On Monday night, supposedly only two returned. He was wrapped in plastic, loaded into the back of a truck and drove to a remote ridge, where he was buried face-down in a shallow grave. We can only hope that he was already gone when he was buried, but we may never know.

At an early age, Marvin decided his name from then on would be "Charlie". If someone made the mistake of calling him Marvin, he would quickly correct them saying, "my name is Charlie". He was a beautiful little boy, who grew into a very handsome man. Standing 5'10'', long blond hair and blue eyes -- he was truly gorgeous. Not only on the outside, but on the inside as well. He had a smile that would brighten your darkest day, smiling with his whole face, he was genuine. Although Charlie faced many tragedies in his short life, he held his head high. Always one you could count on in times of trouble, constantly there with a helping hand.

 

CHIBA -- One of the three teen-age murderers who were sentenced last week to life in prison by a Chiba court for killing a university student in 2001 with a baseball bat has appealed the ruling at a higher court.

The boy, who was 17 years old at the time of the crime, filed his appeal with the Tokyo High Court. The names of the three boys are being withheld under the Juvenile Law.

The youths kidnapped 21-year-old Junya Takahashi in Funabashi, Chiba Prefecture, in June last year to rob him, according to the ruling. They took 5,000 yen from the university student before driving him into the mountains, where they fatally bashed him with baseball bats, the court ruled.

 

The U.S. Army on September 2 completed its "Article 32" hearing to determine if Specialist Justin Fisher should be charged on several counts for lying to investigators and egging on Private First Class Calvin Glover
to murder PFC Barry Winchell, who was believed to be gay by his co-workers at Fort Campbell, Kentucky.

Winchell was hit several times in the head with a baseball bat early on the morning of July 5 in his barracks and died of his wounds in a hospital the following day, in what may prove to be the first known gay-bashing murder in the U.S. military since the so-called "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy was adopted. Glover's Article 32 hearing, which combines elements of civilian grand jury and preliminary hearings, was held August 10 - 11, but the disposition of his case has yet to be determination; the hearing for alleged accomplice Fisher took four days, twice as many as for alleged killer Glover, who reportedly confessed on three occasions while in
detention.

The presiding officer at Fisher's hearing, Major Lee Miller, will make a written report within two weeks to 2nd Brigade commander Colonel Robert Caslen, who in conjunction with Fort Campbell commander Major General Robert Clark will determine the next step for both Fisher and Glover. Caslen and Clark can decide to dismiss the charges, recommend administrative action or convene a court martial, either on the charges as presented or as modified by the commanders. A conviction for Glover on the charge of pre-meditated murder could mean a life sentence or even the death penalty.

 

IKEDA, Japan (Reuters) - Eight children were killed and 15 people injured at a Japanese elementary school on Friday when a former janitor with a history of mental illness went on a stabbing rampage.

It was the worst mass killing in Japan since the 1995 sarin gas attack on crowded Tokyo subways by the Aum Shinrikyo (Aum Supreme Truth) cult which killed 12 and made thousands ill.

The victims were mainly seven- and eight-year-old pupils at the school in Ikeda, a suburb of the western city of Osaka, Japan's second largest metropolitan area. Seven of those killed were girls and the eighth was a six-year-old boy, Japanese media said.

Two teachers were injured, police said, one of them a 28-year-old man who was in critical condition and needed emergency surgery after the attack. Five of the injured children were in critical condition, television reports said.

The tragedy began when the man, wielding an 11-inch knife, walked into a classroom mid-morning and began to stab children in a rampage that police said lasted a little over 10 minutes.

"He came in holding a knife and started stabbing," a first grade girl said.

One sixth-grade girl told Reuters: "We were listening to an announcement over the loudspeaker, and then it was broken into by a scream and a noise like a desk falling down...Then I heard someone scream from below, 'Run!"'

Several children ran into a nearby supermarket yelling and crying for help, witnesses said.

"One of the boys, whose back was stained with blood, fell in front of the cashier. He was pale and did not speak a word," a shop clerk told a television reporter. A schoolboy said "I saw a person who had fallen down. I also saw blood."

Police were holding in custody a 37-year-old man who they said had previously undergone treatment for schizophrenia.

 

you are a fucking idiot.

 

I shake my head at your country Able to buy guns in Walmart is the dumbest thing. Detectors at your schools? You guys wouldn't know how to handle the freedom if you lived here in Oz. How can some of you think, you have the best country in the world. Bloody unreal.

 

originally invented by humans as A WEAPON (e.g., THE CLUB). A bat is a specialized STICK having more mass at one end than the other. Bats were invented for the same purposes that guns were invented- TO KILL animals (hunting) and humans (in defense or offense). And, Guns, like bats, have recreational purposes (targets, skeet, trap shooting, hunting, Olympics). The usefulness of a Bat for purposes of recreation probably came about when a band of primitive humans were sitting around, quite bored, AFTER bashing in the heads of their enemies and raping their wives, discussing what to do next while feasting on their food.

 

i'll give you credit you can use google.
i take it your argument is for making bats illegal.i thought it was pro gun.My apoligies.How 'bout some gunball?"Look there's a runner on third''blam!

originally invented by humans as A WEAPON (e.g., THE CLUB). A bat is a specialized STICK having more mass at one end than the other. Bats were invented for the same purposes that guns were invented- TO KILL animals (hunting) and humans (in defense or offense). And, Guns, like bats, have recreational purposes (targets, skeet, trap shooting, hunting, Olympics). The usefulness of a Bat for purposes of recreation probably came about when a band of primitive humans were sitting around, quite bored, AFTER bashing in the heads of their enemies and raping their wives, discussing what to do next while feasting on their food.


didn't know they had aluminum back then,actually you're talking about sticks,i forget who invented them.

oh i wish i was an Osker Myer weiner''sing it boys

 

you notice how typical asshole british are now since he really fuck up hes argument is base on a aluminum bat vs a wood = go get a life idiot.

 

hey asshole buying a gun at walmart stills requires the same laws as buying one from a gunshop. dont think you just walk up and say give me 3 of those and walk to the cash register.

 

for the guy in Australia your crime went up right after your goverment strip you off your privately own guns. as far as school goes we are not going to do away with our guns just becouse a few kids rampage in a school. i dont give a dam if it was guns,bats or a 4X4 TRUCK in the school football field.

 

okay now take a deep breath and repeat yourself except this time make sense.


I got a woodie.

 

SpliffVortex, I hope you can find some peace in your life, I'm very sorry to hear about your brother.

 

Answering the question of “Should drugs be legal?” is like answering the question of “Should guns be legal?” Whoever answers either question steps onto a minefield of passionate opposition—from conservatives if you say yes to drugs, and from liberals if you say yes to guns. That’s why it’s easier to recognize that both questions are really part of a much larger and more important question: Should government be controlled? And the answer to that question, as well as the other two, is yes.

The illegalization of drugs gives government the excuse to trample our rights, under the guise of protecting us and our children from their effects, and the illegalization of guns will give government the ability to totally trample our rights because we would have no defense against it.

What has the illegalization of drugs accomplished?

• Prisons are overcrowded with drug offenders sentenced under mandatory sentencing laws while violent offenders go free to make room. The result is the U.S. now has the highest incarceration rate in the world, made up mainly of people who have never committed a violent crime—pretty incredible for a “free” country.

• There is increased corruption in our police and judicial systems due to the large amount of money available for payoffs. The poorer you are the more likely you are to go to jail; monied drug lords with their high-priced lawyers have little to fear from the law.

• Millions of Americans who suffer from chronic pain go undermedicated because doctors are afraid to prescribe pain killers for fear of being investigated (a number have already been sent to prison) by a drug enforcement agency. A U.S. health agency has called the suffering of these patients a national disgrace.

• Seizure of property from citizens who have not been found guilty of any crime has gone sky-high, thanks to drug laws that give police the power to seize property suspected of being involved in a crime. It’s up to the owner to prove his property is innocent. Orwellian?

• The War on Drugs is a repeat of Prohibition in the ‘30s. The amount of drugs consumed in America has not gone down appreciably, but the price of them has gone way up, making them even more attractive to sell.

What will the illegalization of guns accomplish?

• This is the classic history lesson of our century. Like all the communist and fascist states that outlawed guns before turning against their own people, we will be powerless to resist our government should it turn against us. And judging from our government’s conduct in its War on Drugs, it already has.

What about the arguments against making drugs legal and keeping guns legal? Both are essentially the same: drugs and guns lead to the destruction of our children, the former through destroying their physical and mental well being and the latter through killing them outright.

Both arguments play on the public’s desire to protect their children at all costs. Those who would keep drugs illegal would imprison our children rather than have them take drugs, and those who would make guns illegal would expose our children to the potential enslavement of a government turned tyrannical rather than let them be endangered by guns. (Another story is the fact that Justice Department statistics show that guns are used by private citizens to prevent violent crimes far more often than they are used to commit crimes, but the stories behind those statistics never make it into the newspapers. I wonder why?)

People in government, especially the cadre of bureaucrats who think they know best how we should run our lives, find these excuses convenient to hide behind. The illegalization of drugs has given our government the excuse it needs to stop us on the street and make a warrantless search of our person, to invade our home on the suspicion we may be using drugs, and to send our children to prison for their own good. The illegalization of guns would allow the government to go even further because we would have no way to resist police in what appears to be our emerging police state.

I am the father of four children and here’s what I think of the government and their conservative and liberal supporters who want to protect my children against drugs and guns: Leave my children alone. They are my concern, not yours. I would rather they ran the risk of experimenting with drugs than have some government agent send them to prison to be gang raped by hard core criminals. And I would rather they risked being gunshot than have them live out their lives as servants to a tyrannical government without any chance to restore their freedom through armed resistance.

Drugs and guns may be bad if used badly, but an all powerful Government is much worse. The illegalization of drugs may have sounded like a good idea in theory once, but it has given Government far too much power over us. And the proposed illegalization of guns may sound like a good idea in theory to some because it is supposed to help keep our children safe, but in reality it will take away our last and ultimate defense against government. And like our Founding Fathers I would rather live free with some peril than live as the protected slave of government.

The question is this: Do we want a powerful government that can come into our homes or stop us on the street at will and arrest us on the suspicion we may be guilty of a crime, that can seize our property on the suspicion it is guilty, and that sends our children to prison for their own good? Or do we want a government that dares not trample on our rights guaranteed in our Constitution?

If the latter, then both drugs and guns must be legal.

 

I am the father of four children and here’s what I think of the government and their conservative and liberal supporters who want to protect my children against drugs and guns: Leave my children alone. They are my concern, not yours. I would rather they ran the risk of experimenting with drugs than have some government agent send them to prison to be gang raped by hard core criminals. And I would rather they risked being gunshot than have them live out their lives as servants to a tyrannical government without any chance to restore their freedom through armed resistance.

Drugs and guns may be bad if used badly, but an all powerful Government is much worse. The illegalization of drugs may have sounded like a good idea in theory once, but it has given Government far too much power over us. And the proposed illegalization of guns may sound like a good idea in theory to some because it is supposed to help keep our children safe, but in reality it will take away our last and ultimate defense against government. And like our Founding Fathers I would rather live free with some peril than live as the protected slave of government.

 

yawn,,,what about anti aircraft weapons?We'll need them to.Guns are worthless against patriot missles."You look like a fool with a gun at an air raid"


It doesn't say that in the script!

 

i lost him there . hold on let me get my crack pipe. ill get back to you.

 

Since you put it that way, yeah. It may have been meant to be a hip board, but a lot of the people on it aren't too hip, let alone swift.