Help me make sure I get the most out of this

Alright, tomorrow I'm picking up the 15x extract my friend bought me, and I want to make sure I get the most of it. I'll tell you about my first experience.

Last summer a friend and I bought some 20x extract (only kind they had). I smoked it out of a bubbler with a normal lighter, which I think is what screwed me. I smoked like half of it and all I got was this really stoned feeling and then eventually a sense of falling. A couple of things I noticed was that its really dry and shaky and burns fucking quick. People say in this forum you'll be tripping by the time you exhale, so my question is, how do you make sure you get a good ass rip the first time? I don't have much experience smoking anything other than weed or hash. Never done any of the more delicate chemicals in a pipe. Now I've got a torch lighter and the bubbler, so I'm feeling pretty good about it, but I still have a little residual cynicism due to the lack of results the first time. Walk me through it.

Also, should I worry about fucking up the glass on my bubbler by using a torch lighter?

 

I've never had a problem taking a torch lighter to a glass piece. So, I can't answer that question easily. Maybe, maybe not.

If you've only smoked weed and hash before, it's a mistake to smoke Salvia the same way. Here's what you need to change:

(1) Make sure you burn it for the entire hit. With herb, you usually burn it in multiple hits until it goes from green to black to white. With Salvia, you want to burn all of it in a single hit, from green to black to white. And make sure all of it is white. You already know that it burns fast; so doing that in a single hit shouldn't be too much of a problem. =)

(2) I recommend using a bong, particularly if you're using a torch lighter. Whatever lighter you do use, make sure you burn the Salvia thoroughly (green to black to white). I recommend a bong because the smoke is obviously going to be real hot if you're burning it so much.

(3) Once you've taken the hit and the bowl is cashed, hold it in for 30 seconds! Compare that to 5 or 10 seconds average for herb; that's 3 to 6 times as long! That means, do not try to take a hit that is too big, don't overfill your lungs, or you won't be able to hold that hit in.

Here are a few tips that I use:

Hyperventilate before you take the hit. This pumps oxygen into your blood so that you can hold the hit longer. Then, exhale, and take the hit right away.

Brave it like Ahnold. Seriously, the best way to do exactly what you want is to do it like it's your only chance. Give yourself a good slap, and pretend you're a flamethrower guy in world war 2, and the enemy is your bowl of Salvia. Then TORCH THE HELL OUT OF 'EM, hehe.

Good luck, friend!

Edit: Oh yeah. Listen. Using the steps above, you should only need a LITTLE BIT of Salvia! I use 6x and 10x. For me, a "medium-sized bowl" of 6x or about half a bowl of 10x is a long experience. With 15x, you probably won't need more than a pinch of it. I recommend trying a small amount, and working up to larger amounts, if you end up packing too little. Because a powerful experience is ... well, REALLY powerful! You might not like it.

 

yes small amounts and work up from that
leave 2 minutes between your trials.
that is if you need to have a second ...third.... fourth... fifth...

too much at anytime is a quite unpleasant for a short time.

just a bit less is lovely.

 

Ugh. Soundwaves was out of salvia on sunday. We're gonna try again tomorrow night, they said they were ordering some. I'm thinking of just ordering some mimosa roots though. I've tripped balls off of those before.

How would you rate a full blown salvia trip in comparison with a DMT breakthrough? Is it silly to compare?

 

I have heard that Salvia and DMT are somewhat similar, in that they both completely override the senses and send you off to a dream-like world, though I have never tried DMT myself. I have heard Salvia and DMT combinations often heralded as "Lady Sally and Lord Dmitri," but ... Salvia's power has often been compared to DMT as a step up, a little more powerful but still very similar and very close.

 

Wow salvia must be something if it's a step up from DMT. Now I really wanna try it. I wonder how you would combine the two, given that they both effect you so quickly.

 

Well, I read in an Erowid trip report that this one person just put a fair amount of DMT and a fair amount of Salvia into a piece together, and just smoked it. Then again, that trip report did seem kind of fishy ... you'd have to do your own research. Look for combinations of DMT and Salvia, and look for 5-Me-DMT and 5-MeO-DMT derivatives and Salvia as well.

 

Damn, Hikaru Zero, you're quite helpful in this forum. You're like the resident Hip Forums salvia shaman.

It's because of your advice that I have decided to try salvia, and will do it sometime this weekend. I now know what I'm getting myself into.

Oh, and plus k.

Sorry to interupt, but he's worthy of the praise.

 

Well, don't give me all the credit. Redgreenvines is pretty knowledgable about it; probably even moreso than I am. He's got a website about it and everything. I could make one, but ... I'm not as dedicated as he is.

Thanks for the appreciation, though. I just try to help; if I know something that someone doesn't, it's my obligation to teach. =)

 

Also keep in mind that an unlucky few just can't trip with salvia. With 15x, if you filled your lungs and held it in more than 10 seconds you should have melted out of this world.

 

It does sound a bit strange to me to mix salvia and DMT in the same pipe. From all I know you should only vapourize the DMT and not actually burn it and as you said the salvia needs to be properly burned. Maybe it works, but I would guess that you loose quite a bit of the potential power of the DMT by doing so.
About the comparison of salvia and DMT I must say, that I experienced them very different, although they both make you completely leave your physical existance here and take you to a different dimension. The message these substances are teaching seem to be quite different.
DMT taught me that we never die and salvia that all time happens at the same time. But that might only be me, since the experiences are very subjective.

 

Oh my, how did that happen.....lot's of double posting. There was "a slight problem with the database" yesterday.

 

Haha, I really messed up here

 

and it didn't even show up in my post count....

 

Sorry guys&girls

 

Well, what I meant by "fishy" was, it sounded like the guy just wrote a BS story. He was going on about how Lady Sally and Lord Dmitri (the male DMT counterpart? lol) both appeared to him and told him nobody had ever tried that combination (which I highly doubt), and that he was in for a crazy ride, then he had a story where he and a bunch of crazy figures battled Jack Daniels, the pirate of the sea of alcohol (or something like that). It was interesting, but it honestly sounded like a fair amount of it was just made up.

LOL and don't worry about the weird sextuple posts, everyone had problems with the database yesterday. I wonder if I'll have a problem after this post.

What's really weird is, there are like 16 posts here, and the main page only says there are 10.

 

LOL Hikaru Zero, that trip report really sounds a bit wacko, but hey people make all different kinds of experiences and interpret things in very personal ways too, so maybe that was how it felt for him.
I wasn't critizising you, rather confirming that the report seemed "kind of fishy" (I am pisces and should actually object to using the word fishy in a negative context, haha )

added: replying was nice&easy this time!