stop seal killings!

no dont see where youre comin from. an animal life is not like a human life. when a seal or any animal gets killed, its not like a human life stopping. im not even gonna argue with you anymore, i dont see how you can think like you can. sorry

 

Ugh... this argument always makes me so sick. Sure, we should avoid the unnecessary killing of animals, but to value an animal's life as equal or even higher than a human is just unbelievably ignorant.

 

well, i think humans are just another element of the nature, and we should consider ourselvbes like that, another element of the nature... when u have to chose between killing and animal or killing a person the question is clear, u kill the animal, but i think one of thoe reasons u save the person is because u have survival instints aswell, like the rest of the animals we want our race to survive... maybe it´s a bit exagerated to say that we are exatly the same, but i find few differences.. the differences were created in our mind..
and by the way, when u are saving the animals and the nature u are saving the human race aswell... humans can´t exist without nature, humans and nature were supposed to live in harmony but some people thought we were the kings of the Earth and things started to go from bad to worse... we are not only destructing the nature, but also we are killing ourselves and destructing human race´s future...

IMO the problem comes when people need to believe they are more intelligent, more `powerfull and they need to show it by killing other people or destructing the nature...which makes them look more stupid...
well, that´s my point of view...

 

Not really sure where any of that possibly came from. A bit far fetched.

People destroy nature for profit and greed not because we are more intelligent and powerful. People mow down forests for the profit. You don't hear a lumber company say "Hey, let's spend millions of dollars on equipment and labor to mow down forests to show it who's boss." To many animals get killed because the food industry is so greedy they aren't thinking about the future supply. You don't hear the food industry say "Hey, let's spend tons of money rounding up animals and shoot them to show them who's boss."

The only part you got partly right is the killing of of people. Not only is about who thinks their more intelligent and powerfull, but it too is about profit and greed.

 

i meant that if we didn´t consider ourselves better than the rest of the nature just because we are intelligent, we wouldn´t destroy the nature as much as we do...

 

that's why im giving up with this thread... for this moment. if you kill the pigeon i hope it comes back to haunt you and its your own stupid mistake. im sick of this, and obviously i wont make a differnce. no-one agrees with me or cares, and its just some internet site. maybe il post more later when im in the mood. obviously, other veggies dont care enough to respond or help defend me.

 

ya, i've been wanting to come back here and edit this for awhile. actually, wince i first posted it. i didnt mean what i said, i didnt have time AT ALL to come bakc and change this. i had a huge project to do and didnt have time to come back and change this. i'm not going to read the criticism on what i said, because it's not me. it's not how i really. so i dont care about if you dont like what i said, cause i dont either.

 

You remember posting this? You ever heard the word hypocrite? It's like when someone says "WE AREN'T ALL LIKE THAT" and then go bash on others for their belief that animals are not equals.

 

I agree...
The fur trappers and hunters of seals are completely inhumane [well its inhumane to begin with]... many of them are clubbed to death, and to me, that's just sick and disgusting. No creature, cute or not, deserves that kind of cruel treatment in my opinion.

 

im trying my best to not be biased [considering i agree with her views], but I think she was just trying to make a point that she believes it's wrong.

And maybe some people don't feel that animals are not equal to humans [though, we are all animals as well....don't forget that.]....but either way, killing something for pleasure shouldn't be considered "okay" ...imho anyway.
To me, and probably to her as well, it just doesn't SEEM RIGHT when someone isn't disturbed by something like that... In my opinion, when it comes down to ANY creature suffering, it should be disturbing... there is nothing glamouros or okay about a life suffering and/or being tortured.

would you club a cat to death for it's fur? why is a seal any different?

And by stating all this, I, or her, aren't trying to "bash you"... just trying to make a point and possibly open up some minds....

 

Personaly i think that finding yet another animal to kill for its skin is just not right. The use of leather on the scale it is , is moderatly ok because the animal is being fully exploited for its meat as well. Seals are not, keeping the population down is a poor excuse imho.


I am a veggie but we live in a meat eating world, it will always be that way.. so a few compromises are needed.

i was going to post a pic' of a hunter' clubbing a seal , but we have all seen those pic' before.. don't need to see them again. Everytime i look at those pics' i just shake my head and wonder are we infact a higher species ?.. i don't believe so sometimes.

 

I agree Matthew [I always seem to agree with you...]
Anyway, what I think is hypocritical about the excuse of keeping the population down is my guesstimate is that years down the road seals will become scarce, and then the same people who agreed it was alright to hunt them to keep the population low, will be the same people in a panic that they could in fact become endangered. on the same note, did anyone ever stop to think that humans are overpopulated? There's far more of us than any ONE species of an animal [except maybe insects...] and we're destroying many of their habitats, polluting the air, etc. I think if seals were "overpopulated" nature would take care of it... seals have predators as well as any other animal does. And, I think it's unfair for us to be the predators of all, while we may have the capability, I also like to think that we could be above that...
obviously we arent.

Just as there are stupid people and intelligent people...animals differ in strengths and weaknesses as well, and to say that we are above anything is pretty much a horrible generalization and a failure to look at it from all angles.

Our technology and knowledge is beyond the primal era and it's unnecessary to kill animals for food or clothing...
and saying we're superior also leads me to see a lack of appreciation in the environment you live in. To not be able to live AMONG the animals, trees, and plants, is arrogant. Everything as a whole outnumbers us, and I think we desperately need to start learning how treat it with respect.

that's just my opinion, take it or leave it.

i'd also like to point out that naturally an animal does NOT kill another animal for more than what it needs to live. we do[kill more than we need]. and to think that we dont, is living in denial.

 

It was your post that gave me the spark to write my own. i tried yesterday i just came across as a bit of a 'eco freak' so i did not bother.. i agree with you also (i truely do). i think i will take your opinion (not steal it obviosly ).

 

steal all you want, lol.

dammit, i was looking forward to an "eco freak" type post :-D they're always interesting.

 

I can always do one if you wish.. with pictures and everything ?.

 

sure why not! enlighten me

 

The false reasons the people who undertake and organize the slaugther of seals
give e.g. "seals are the cause of the decaying fish population which is real sad realy" .
Because the decaying of the fish is mainly caused by overfishing and untoughtfull fishing techniques.

The Amazon and Alaska are being exploited by multinationals with no conscience
sigh....


Pretsils of the world unite rainbow wariors assemble.....

 

to everyone of you

c'mon, I know people are more important than animals, but the fact is that the harp seals are defenceless little animals, and they are just baby... animals deserve to be free, they deserve to live... I know we humans made "the world" but animals existed before us [duh, this is stupid, I know] but ANYONE have the right to kill an animal, and less in the way the stupid hunters do with the seals, so think about it, what would YOU do if someone kills your baby sons and your family in the way the harp seals die?

 

how the fuck are you gonna compare killing a baby to a seal? dont even say that, thats fuckin disgustin

 

That's probably the smartest thing you've said so far.