I was wondering about that too. I always thought dreams to be important for the subconcious to work through stuff that we haven't processed yet. I also think that letting go of the ego is very important and that we live in the mind too much already. Why do you always want to be in control? IRecently I heared about a woman who was practicing lucid dreaming to get rid of nightmares. She created a lover for herself who was protecting her. After some time she got kind of addicted to the dreams and was always thinking about her dream lover and neglecting her wake life relationships. One night she lost control over the dream and the guy told her she should stop abusing him and disappeared. She tried to make him come back the next night, but instead she started having the same nightmares again. Somehow it seems to me as if she was avoiding what she had to deal with and that she was using the lucid dreams as an escape and a way to stay in control. Some people say that the best would be to not dream at all. Not only not remember the dreams, but actually not have any dreams.
Having not dreams is not possible! If you didn't REM then it would be good for you although many scientists would not agree with the reasons you've suggested. They think the that REM is actually just the system (the brain) semi booting up and testing its various parts. You do not have lucid dreams everytime you dream and people who say they have them are just unaware of the deep sleep REM phases that we all are unless we are woken during them. A decent LDer will only have 4-16 LD's a month and most get no where near this number. There is no detrimental effect to this. Your woman example could be cited for anything, subsitute drink/drugs/gambeling/knitting for LDing and if you become obsessive then it will be a problem. Treat LDing as fun and part of what is completely natural for a human being and you enrich your life not stunt it!
God dam I just spent 10 mins writing a reply to eleria's post when hipforms *ucked up and I lost it! Arrgghh. Can't be arsed to write it again. Summing up v.quick, your wrong, your definition of what REM sleep is for is not correct in scientific defination. The woman could replace drink, drugs etc for LDing just cause she has an obsessional behavure dosn't mean LDing is at fault. Most decent LDers get 2-12 LD A MONTH! LDing is a form of REM sleep but rarely happens in important deep REM sleep. LDers who say they always LD in REM sleep don't realise that Deep REM sleep is forgotten. LDing is a natural part of what a human can do, like running, having sex, maing art etc, do it, it will not harm you in any way. I repeat LDing is not harmful. *fast typing rant over*
God dam I just spent 10 mins writing a reply to eleria's post when hipforms *ucked up and I lost it! Arrgghh. Can't be arsed to write it again. Summing up v.quick, your wrong, your definition of what REM sleep is for is not correct in scientific defination. The woman could replace drink, drugs etc for LDing just cause she has an obsessional behavure dosn't mean LDing is at fault. Most decent LDers get 2-12 LD A MONTH! LDing is a form of REM sleep but rarely happens in important deep REM sleep. LDers who say they always LD in REM sleep don't realise that Deep REM sleep is forgotten. LDing is a natural part of what a human can do, like running, having sex, maing art etc, do it, it will not harm you in any way. I repeat LDing is not harmful. *fast typing rant over*
God dam I just spent 10 mins writing a reply to eleria's post when hipforms *ucked up and I lost it! Arrgghh. Can't be arsed to write it again. Summing up v.quick, your wrong, your definition of what REM sleep is for is not correct in scientific defination. The woman could replace drink, drugs etc for LDing just cause she has an obsessional behavure dosn't mean LDing is at fault. Most decent LDers get 2-12 LD A MONTH! LDing is a form of REM sleep but rarely happens in important deep REM sleep. LDers who say they always LD in REM sleep don't realise that Deep REM sleep is forgotten. LDing is a natural part of what a human can do, like running, having sex, maing art etc, do it, it will not harm you in any way. I repeat LDing is not harmful. *fast typing rant over*
I lost one very long relpy to this thread yesterday and then even managed to loose the summary all because of some Hipforums database error. Hopefully this will work but I can't even be bothered to do the summary again. I don't agree with anything you wrote eleria would be a short and I know it sounds a bit abrupt but I'm so hacked off from loosing all I wrote that I'm not doing it again... soz
Hmmm? WTF I've just seen all my previous attempts to post made?? I don't know how to delete prehaps a mod can do it.
this lady i lived with a long time ago was very into lucid dreaming [ie being aware and directing yer dreams ]as well as just remembering yer dreams . she had dream journals . and its just like if the snooze alarm wakes ya but yago back ////its like stayin light and aware and dreamin . and not forgetting and bringing yer images back here ....interesting isnt it .....imagine if everyone took a nap at the same time and tryed to dream simmilar themed dreams !
hey, does anyone have a certain number of places they go to in their lucid dreams? i dreamt about several different places, there are three different coastal scenes- one in asia, wen i had dreams bout the tsunami b4 it happened, and one around spain, and one where i glide off a cliff over the sand in england (where i live) does anyone else experience this? it seems amazin. cheers.
Almost all my dreams are lucid. I can pretty much control the whole thing. Usualy when Im in any type of trouble I just say good bye and fly away... it's wonderful.
I can control my dreams if I want to, but I also find it incredibly enlightening to see what happens without trying to force it, though I do often gently guide it. I've come up with some VERY creative stuff out of my dreams, sometimes after I'm technically awake, but with the dream still running in my head until it reaches some sort of climax. Back in the 80s, I got the design for a video game that way -- I used to do a lot of geek stuff -- and it actually did moderately well. The pic that you see in my "signature" below came, at least in part, from another such dream...
my dreams are so crazy, that they are sometimes just flashes of images that i cant control....sometimes i guess when im concious of my dreams, i can control the bad stuff, like when i was little, and i would be having a nightmare, i'd just close my eyes in my dream and think when i count to three, id be awake....and it worked...most of the time...when it didnt....id freak the f*ck out.....lmao
I had a lucid dream that was about my childhood. I was in my 5th grade classroom and i went into the hallway to get a drink of water. But then i knoticed that the school was different and it was a saturday. So i knew i was dreaming so i went back to class and started cursing off the teacher and then i went up to her and busted her lip open. BTW i hated that teacher
I frequently have lucid dreams. I've 'trained' myself to recgonize I'm dreaming with dream signs and reality checks. Using different lucid dream inducing techniques can be helpful too when wanting to force a lucid dream to happen. Now since I've not had much time of my own, they sort of need to come on there own now. The website http://ld4all.com/ is very good for beginner lucid dreamers, I suggest taking a look at it. The best way, though, is to keep a dream journal, use dream signs and reality checks. It beats any sort of so called lucid-inducing-software thats all over. Ask yourself this right now: Am I dreaming? Flick a light switch on and off, does it turn off or on? If not, you must be dreaming. Can you plug your nose and still breath through it? If so, you're most definetly dreaming. You must be able to ask yourself, am I dreaming all the time. For all you kow, this could be a dream, because when you dream you're convinced it's reality, you only know when you wake up.
ive also read alot about it. i've heard that relaxing your whole body and concentrating on what you want to dream about before sleep will help get to lucid dreaming. never gotten it to work myself though
