Hippies are supporting a candidate who served and fought in Vietnam over a candidate who dodged the draft.
That statement should be restated. Hippies are supporting a candidate who served in Viet Nam- saw it was wrong and protested to war – over a candidate who supported the war but was afraid to go. :sunglasse
*Sigh* Someone had to get serious. Q: Why does a fireman wear red suspenders? A: To hold his pants up! MushroomDreams: Most firemen wear belts, and if they do wear suspenders they're not necessarily red!
Hippies are supporting someone who fought in vietnam, admitted to commiting war crimes, and was falsely decorated. Kerry shouldnt be called a soldier.
Quote: Kerry shouldnt be called a soldier. That's true, Kerry is too smart to be considered a soldier, soldiers are all morons This will be an interesting election, stupid military and NASCAR people vs, intellgence.
I know soldiers who aren't stupid. I have a friend in Iraq, and he isn't a moron. Two of my high school teachers were soldiers, one in Korea and one in Desert Storm, and neither of them were morons. Isn't this supposed to be a place where everyone is accepted and not judged?
WestPint, how can you say Kerry was falsely decorated....what facts do you have to support your preposterous statement?
Quote: Isn't this supposed to be a place where everyone is accepted and not judged? Where did you get that idea?! Anyway, of course I don't think all soldiers are morons, I just wanted to see which overly reverant and patriotic posters I could rile.
I can not believe you just called the men and women who DEFEND YOUR RIGHT TO TALK LIKE morons. YOU are as dumb as a rock. If it were not for these "morons" you would not even be allowed to post on this forum.
Theres been stuff like this all over the internet, i thought it was common knowlege by now. My misteak. Heres one. The following was sent to a Marine chat net by a retired Marine Master Sergeant who was in S-2, 3rd Bn, 1st Marines, Korea in 1954. It calls into serious question John Kerry's military actions in Vietnam. We present it to give our readers another perspective to the media's one-sided "war hero" adulation, and to open his actions to the light of public discourse. -- The Editors. I was in the Delta shortly after John Kerry left. I know that area well. I know the operations he was involved in well. I know the tactics and the doctrine used, and I know the equipment. Although I was attached to CTF-116 (PBRs) I spent a fair amount of time with CTF-115 (swift boats), Kerry's command. Here are my problems and suspicions: (1) Kerry was in-country less than four months and collected a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts. I never heard of anybody with any outfit I worked with (including SEAL One, the Sea Wolves, Riverines and the River Patrol Force) collecting that much hardware that fast, and for such pedestrian actions. The Swifts did a commendable job, but that duty wasn't the worst you could draw. They operated only along the coast and in the major rivers (Bassac and Mekong). The rough stuff in the hot areas was mainly handled by the smaller, faster PBRs. (2) He collected three Purple Hearts but has no limp. All his injuries were so minor that he lost no time from duty. Amazing luck. Or he was putting himself in for medals every time he bumped his head on the wheel house hatch? Combat on, the boats were almost always at close range. You didn't have minor wounds, at least not often. Not three times in a row. Then he used the three Purple Hearts to request a trip home eight months before the end of his tour. Fishy. (3) The details of the event for which he was given the Silver Star make no sense at all. Supposedly, a B-40 was fired at the boat and missed. Charlie jumps up with the launcher in his hand, the bow gunner knocks him down with the twin .50, Kerry beaches the boat, jumps off, shoots Charlie, and retreives the launcher. If true, he did everything wrong. (a) Standard procedure when you took rocket fire was to put your stern to the action and go balls to the wall. A B-40 has the ballistic integrity of a frisbie after about 25 yards, so you put 50 yards or so between you and the beach and begin raking it with your .50's. (b) Did you ever see anybody get knocked down with a .50 caliber round and get up? The guy was dead or dying. The rocket launcher was empty. There was no reason to go after him (except if you knew he was no danger to you just flopping around in the dust during his last few seconds on earth, and you wanted some derring-do in your after-action report). And we didn't shoot wounded people. We had rules against that, too. (c) Kerry got off the boat. This was a major breach of standing procedures. Nobody on a boat crew ever got off a boat in a hot area. EVER! The reason was simple: If you had somebody on the beach, your boat was defenseless. It coudn't run and it couldn' t return fire. It was stupid and it put his crew in danger. He should have been relieved and reprimanded. I never heard of any boat crewman ever leaving a boat during or after a firefight. Something is fishy. here is the source : http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12272
Sure as hell isnt kerry. He threw his medals away, he protested, that is not patriotic. Now it is conveinient for him to be a war hero and to be patriotic, so he changes his story.
A war fully revealed by the Pentagon Papers to have been started and continued by lies (through 4 consecutive administrations and for a stretch of 25 years) is not patriotic. Patriotism is love of ones COUNTRY, not love of one's elected leaders (who should at all times be held to thorough public scrutiny and accountability), thus protesting a war (especially one in which the given protestor has himself faught) which saw the commission by Washington of some of the most horrendous war crimes in our nation's history is INDEED patriotic. But then in your youthful rashness you'd obviously prefer to continue sending waves of our young to die for lies even after theyve been exposed. Your notion of patriotism is more rightly jingoism and hyper nationalism which closes its eyes to the truth and unquestioningly follows its leaders into whatever the war they claim necessary.
I make a humorous observation (at least I thought it was humorous!) and it turns into a heated debate over who's less patriotic, the draft dodger or the Vietnam veteran against the war. But, that's what I've come to expect in the Politics Forum.
You jumping to conclusions, don't. Your putting words in my mouth, stop. I really dont have much of a problem with kerry protesting the war. Patriotism is also showing respect for ones country. When kerry threw away war medels that our country graciously awarded him it unveiled a deep lack of respect for the country. And there is the fact that he protests the war, then later attempts to make himself look like a war hero for his campeign. It's not right. And that is why I do not consider him to be much of a patriot.
