I wonder who snapped these photos. Not many people get to see him. http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/05/21/saddam.photos/index.html .
Those are fucking hilarious. I hope they've been widely distributed in the newspapers across Iraq, just to give the Iraqis a few chuckles, and embaress that motherfucker even more.
Not anytime soon...which is very pathetic and i consider Bush the dumbest fucking president in my lifetime.
It is really a infringement on his human rights....not that Sadam cared much about human rights though. But as funny as it all may be, do two wrongs make a right? Is that the kinda country we wanna be?
The pics of him in his underpants aren't that big of an issue. It's such a little thing. But seriously, there are probably more pics of him out there somewhere that will surface. Someone is trying to make the U.S. military look stupid, much like they did with the Abu Ghraib scandal. .
The key difference, I think, is that the pictures of Saddam in his underpants don't necessarily mean he was abused. It's possible (but I don't know) that his doctors might've had some legitimate reason for the pictures, and then they somehow got leaked to the press. The Abu Ghraib pictures, in contrast, could have served no legitimate purpose and were fairly solid evidence of abuse. I'm not making any judgments either way on the pictures of Saddam, I'm just saying that it's possible that this was not a case of abuse.
Our military does a good enough job on it's own of making themselves look stupid...*cough, Lyndie England, cough* Underpants pictures are nothing, though...especially not to Americans, who see pop idols in their undies every day. Neither is flushing a holy book down the toilet. However, to conservative middle-easterners it is a different story. Our biggest concern right now should be diplomacy. We don't want to be seen as an occupying force in Iraq, yet we hardly show them and their culture any respect. Arabs notice and know this, and it isn't making our position in Iraq any easier because of it.
A little late for "not wanting to be seen as an occupying force in Iraq", that's precisely what we have been, currently are, have every intention of remaining and have always been viewed as rightfully by the vast majority of Iraqis.
If they have pics of him in underpants, I'm sure they have other things too. Who knows what will surface. The Abu Ghraib pics didn't surface all at once. .
Maybe the next set of pics will be of Sadam in laced panties, nylon stockings and black high heeled evening shoes. If so, then he should be reminded Pearls can only be worn after 5pm.
Like what ?... eating cookies and drinking milk ?. He was not on all fours or begging for mercy .. he was getting changed..he looked bloody healthy too me. Of course diffrent groups will view this in diffrent ways . Already even though the 'koran story' has been proven false, in some peoples reality it is true still. I hope nobody dies from these pictures. it is amazing what newspapers do to sell a few more copies.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4568515.stm
Not necessarily abuse. I really doubt that there aren't any more pics, though. Someone was working inside and got the pics. It's a security problem at the very least. Even rumors of abuse get people on edge after what happened at Abu Ghraib. You'd think the military would have anticipated that someone might be taking pictures of these tactics that were orchestrated by higher ups. It shows that lack of thinking at the Pentagon. People like Rummy are still in the WWII era. .
The Koran story hasn't been proven false, in fact the Red Cross had been warning the pentagon since 2002 about the mistreatment of the Koran among US soldiers (sort of like they had been warning them about the abuse, which also got ignored until the media broke the story) http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/19/icrc.quran/
There is blatant mis-treatment like flushing it down the toilet.. And 'mis-treatment' such as not handling it in the manor expected, the prisoners doing the 'complaining' follow a even stricter code for the handling of there koran.. in part as a form of protest and because some are zealots. Since the red cross alegations (i don't fully wish to dismiss them all by the way, of course as sporadicaly gets highlighted there are idiots within the army) the Americans have been almost over zealous with there 'respect' for the koran. Even some of the muslim gaurds given the task of supervising the books, thought some practices on both sides was boardering on the ridiculous. Why did the editor of Newsweek apologise ? http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Now-Newsweek-retracts-Koran-story-that-caused-riots/2005/05/17/1116095965242.html?oneclick=true
He apologized because the source backed down. Doesn't mean the story isn't true, and definitely doesn't mean the Red Cross has been lying. Point is, the pentagon was warned years ago about how soldiers were handling the Koran, and they don't do anything until it blows up in their faces, like usual. Then they try to make a scapegoat of the media, when the pentagon should have done something about it years ago. Not much different situation than the abuse, which the red cross also warned the pentagon about, but yet did nothing until the general public knew.
I never said the Red cross were liars !!! .. You have to question the over sensitive nature of these prisoners.. The ones doing the complaining would probably get upset if you farted in the direction of there koran. You never realy hear about those not complaining and what they have to say.. The red cross highlight the good and the bad issues ..wich ones gets all the attention i wonder, and i wonder why ? .. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4564405.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4567457.stm They did nothing till the general public knew ?.. thats unfair.. they had to do MORE because of these kind of stories, and if you take a look at the pictures they i would imagine have these kind of people to appease plus concerned individuals like yourself .
It isn't about the sensitive nature of the prisioners, it is about the beliefs of a paticular culture. It isn't just prisioners and terrorists upset about this. If we are going to occupy a country (especially if we are trying to win their favor) then we should take the appropriate measures to make sure we respect their culture and way of life. Islamists are very conservative and serious about their beliefs, and very serious about their holy book and how it is handeled. It isn't like we didn't know how Islamists felt about their holy book before going into this war. And yes, the Red Cross does highlight the good and the bad issues, but how can you say that the bad gets more attention when the Red Cross has to warn the pentagon for years about things like abuse and mishandling of the Koran, but to no avail?