Stinky F2

Im tripping
Day 50 and I finally got out the measuring tape. My gosh how they grow.
Untopped- naturally grown- semi-organic(foxfarm=guano=castings}
1200 watts HPS on 12/12 for first 3 weeks to sex ,then added 1,000 w halide and changed light schedule to 18/6.
Im looking at one now that is 14 inceh tall, and 20 inches wide- about 30 branches sweeping out. One solid mutha. I got a male just like it. SAME PHENO.
all the phenos branch like crazy, most are like 17 tall and 18 wide, or 12 tall and 18 wide. The medium ones are the 14"x20" ones.

My cable was sent off for. Might get some pics up in a week or so.
But my gosh I have created a monster. And as i suspected , im getting berry and skunk pheno's out of it.the medium pheno is skunk. bruce's skunk.
none finer. wait and see.

 

O.K. it's getting crazy.
I thought my breeding program was scrapped for this cycle. But i was in there just now and saw some seeds in the preflowers from the first two (maybe more but i doubt it) males to show sign.
My main objective for this run was to make a faster budding/ early version of stinky.
I has some secondary goals, selective breeding,backcrossing, but i wanted an open pollenated faster version. I got it.
I was reading and clarke suggested that to get faster budding versions to use preflower seeds, because they would have been pollenated by first flowering males.
But that is the only open pollenated seeds i will have, For other selective breeding to f3 ,I can make some from the two males i chose for selection.
So i'll have three F3 versions
The backcross to the highland afgani looks promising, - very much the same for a unstable cross. 10,000 year old backcross i suppose. I was right- the highland mutant will make nice f1 seeds when i finish stinky all the way to F4, and cross to the afghani mutant. Most of my selective breeding has been done from choosing screaming males- the mutant is clone only female- so the test cross being stable, moreso than any others im testing- Looks real promising for the future. Of coure im looking at the first set of leaves, which is where a lot of my discretion for choie comes in. Selective pressure.

 

These bad boys
are now two x two feet, untopped.
They have a huge canopy, each plant kinda has its own canopy.Im thinking of calling her "nine fingered nellie" even though the secondary branches have like 20 buds in an even canopy. Per plant. 16 plants now, in a 6x6 room are overcrowded.
9 would be better ,they are two foot across, and like to fill the gaps inbetween in a few hours.
I sent off for a usb cable last week.
Too bad i cant upload all these various smells im finding. The most intereesting being a skunkberry. But the turpenes are changing daily it seems.
8 are at day 30- most of those went into another area filled with natural sunlight.my yard. The ones left in the budroom are getting pollen from 3 choice males for a couple days more. Then the males will go outside, to have pollen collected daily seperatly. I found a skunkberry male yesterday- the one slighly mutated at birth, which of course was suspected to produce some kinda berry smell. Having some blueberry charachteristics.
So im doing two seperate open pollenations, the one in the preflowers was done a couple weeks ago. Another is being done on early flowers now. The seeds in the preflowers will have to be picked by hand. The others will be plucked from cured vegitative matter, while vegitating my brain matter.
MALE TESTING TIMES- were stressful, but i find it nessesary to reduce my tolerance while breeding long enough to test males as they are showing sex. THEY were all equal in potency, ut various smells and flavors abound.
Kind of a mango/bannana thing in one.
a mild skunk
a humbolt grassy smelling pheno
a stronger skunk/humbolt
a stinky fruit punch
skunky blueberry
and chocolate candy
they are coming out of the stretch now, and these are the smells im getting from rubbing the stems.
How's that for variety?
"loving life all of a sudden in cali"
tiedye

 

someone commented the grow smells like a chocolate factory.
im really stoked to hear that.
im gonna change my handle now, To:
Tiedye and the chocolate factory

mwwwaaaaaahaha ha

 

OK
PICS OF MY GIRLS AT JUST OVER TWO MONTHS !
Lot's of pics

 

OK
PICS OF MY GIRLS AT JUST OVER TWO MONTHS !
Lot's of pics

 

heres some at day 42

 

Oh my
Day 29 12/12
enjoy the view
oh and yes one has a ph- heat stress prob but hanging in there.
this is the only place you will find this strain.
I made it myself.

 

here is what may be nlxkush

 

beatifull pics tiedye. Big props to you for "selective" breeding,too. Thought this li'l blurb from DJ Short on male selection, might interest you.

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Selecting males

I prefer to remove all of the males from the grow-room to a separate, isolated space shortly after they declare their sex and well before they begin to shed pollen. A small space lit with simple fluorescent light will suffice for the males for the next few weeks. During this time the female buds will fatten with more flowers while your collection of males is selected down.

I generally employ a simple process of elimination while selecting males. First, any auto-flowering or very early-declared males are eliminated. (Auto-flowering means that male flowers form regardless of light cycle timing.) This is mainly to insure against hermaphroditism or unwanted flowering traits, but also as a means to insure quality. The very early declared males have a tendency to be less desirable in terms of their contributions to the quality of the finished product. (If you are trying to specifically create an early-flowering strain, then your priorities may be different.)

Next, any male plant that grows too tall or too fast is usually eliminated. The reason for this is that most plants which dedicate so much energy to fiber production generally are best for making fiber. The exception to this rule is when an over-productive plant also exhibits a number of the desirable characteristics mentioned later.

The next criteria for elimination is borrowed from Michael Starks' book, Marijuana Potency, and involves stem structure. Large, hollow main stems are sought while pith-filled stems are eliminated. Backed by years of observation, I agree that hollow stems do seem to facilitate THC production.

Another consideration is the type of floral clusters that develop. Even on males, clusters which are tight, compact and yet very productive are desired over an airy, loose structure. These observations are most notable in the indoor environment. Outdoors, the differences in stem and floral structures are more difficult to discern.

The next and perhaps most important characteristic to examine is that of odor, flavor and trichome development. Again, the females will prove themselves by their finished product, but the males are a bit trickier.

I usually begin with a Sativa female and an Indica male. It has been my observation that the females primarily contribute the type of flavor and aroma and the males contribute the amount of flavor and odor. The "Sativa/Indica" aspects of this formula are mainly apparent in the P1 or very early filial crosses (to about f3). Beyond the f3 generation the apparent "Sativa/Indica" ratio in a given individual is less important than the odor/flavor and trichome development aspects it exhibits. Therefore, one of the main aspects to consider when selecting a male is the depth of its aroma and flavor. (If you are seeking to develop a low-odor indoor strain you might wish to begin with a low-odor Sativa male and an Indica female.)

With the remaining males I usually employ an odor/flavor test. Using males at least two or three weeks into the flowering cycle (and preferably beyond if a separate, isolated space is being used), a sort of "scratch-and-sniff" technique is first employed. With clean, odor-free fingers, gently rub one plant at a time, on the stem where it is well developed and pliable, above the woody part and below the developing top (approximately at the spot where a clone would be cut). The newer leaves at their halfway point of development may also be rubbed and sniffed.

These are the places that the earliest chemical signatures of a developing plant present themselves, and it is our intent to gently disturb these chemicals and inspire an odor/flavor reaction on the fingers and on the plant. By examining these various aromas in this way one may be able to determine certain desirable (and also undesirable) characteristics. After clearing one's palate and refreshing one's fingers, another plant may be tested.

The finalists are best compared for at least a week and at different times of day, to determine who performs best over a period of time.

A few of the "good" aromas which I have found to be associated with both male and female high quality cannabis are: sweet, floral, fruity, berry, wine/brandy, other savory spirits, skunky and spearmint. Some of the "bad" aromas associated with both male and female cannabis are: grassy, chlorophyll (green), celery, parsley, carrots, cinnamon, pepper-mint or wintergreen, gear-oil and gasoline. Some of the aromas that are considered "good" from females but not necessarily from males are: woody, cedar, pine, citrus, tropical fruit, chocolate, vanilla, coffee, garlic and astringent.
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good read grouch
i posted a lengthy reply, and my p.c. ate it.
My gosh i hate this p.c.
so i'll just say thanks in hopes i can post.

 

It must be that Im just an old school style breeder, but the similarities between Mr shorts methods and mine are uncanny.. It gives me chills and goosebumps at times..
I feel funny even mentioning it, I dont like ego trips or mind games.
It is just strange, and the more i read from DJ, the creepier it gets...
Im gonna have to meet him someday, it's inevitable...
It will be my turn to wierd him out then, he he he...
I often think it's better to just go by instinct, too much deliberation of concepts can lead to confusion. The past few months has found me pounding the journals for info on filial/parent/trubreed/ hybrid type info.. DJ's system is so close to mine it's unreal. Reading his article on OG cleared up the last bit of my confusion of hitting F2, and I realized even the big boys have a little bit of a tricky time, when it gets to seperating pheno's in F2...
And due to the storm of fusarium during this breeding session, i was unable to seperate any furthur than indica/ sativa dom.
Plenty more seeds where those came from, im running F1 through again ISO more indica dom. phenos.. Pics fresh from this morning! Test crosses filling the room now that stinky F2 is manicured and ready to harve in a week or so. Some lesser ones were pulled early.. I was going to revert them all but im having too much heat over the greenhouse- gotta trim the numbers a bit...
camera batteries dead -pics later.
thanks again grouch, once again a good read.
Dj seems to bring me into focus everytime.. he he he, and looking at the backtrail - my instincts were great.
What a long strange trip it's been....
I bet DJ read clarkes book when it first came out as well.Must be why our stlye is similar- A lot of my style rubbed off instictually through robert's book Im sure.
I was young so most of MJbotany went over my head, but i was always so stoned then, it sunk into my subconcious.
I still like to read it on mello gold a lot- i got mj botany bookmarked for life.
I gott go check mag def in that wet greenhouse, gotta do some soil managment with whatever i can find. Oak trees are my target today- i need composted humus.
But I still need to log it all down, im running on tagged jars of pollen and tagged seeds.
Have done it that way since the 70's, I dont rightly know if i'll ever do an actual logbook, other than threads online...

 

so what are your results for your harvest?????/// do u have any seeds for trade or sale?????

 

Well
I never worry about harvest weight.
But from 12 females I got over five ounces of seedstock...Which most of the plants energy went to making seeds. Who knows.
Only people who have problems with airborne diseases/mold/fungus in thier grow are able to aquire any beans though. The third generation may carry some fusarium- and im not letting them out, in fear of infecting clean grows.....
I am making a fourth generation before long though, the seedlings are doing good for that one.
I am currently doing about 7-8 stinky f1 in the budroom, these will not be seeded out, but I may selective breed a small bud or two.
I should be able to get a good harvest weight...
Stinky is one of those rarities, I have reports of plants being put out in april may and june- to begin flowering 3 weeks after going outdoors, and continue flowering until done. I smoked a bit of the outdoor yesterday as a matter of fact, real nice with hashy fruity flavors. Made me choke like hell too, real nice expansion.
Robin says it works on her pain for four hours solid, and vicoden only last her three hours....Which beats anything I have heard of for pain.
Im testing some sour diesel lately, one of those kind of smokes that you cant stop smoking, but will glue you to a chair or couch if you continue to indulge too long.
She loves it like I do< but she states it cannot compare to stinky in the pain dept.
I think I like it for a change of pace, variety thing...Very unique is the sour diesel.
Im trying trainwreck next (5 days into flowering) and my romulan "mom" is looking ready to cut a clone or two from.
And im hearing real good things about sour bubble from BOG, may try it next....
Im just gonna run a few tried and proven strains- manageable ones though, along with my breeding program. That way if i mix up anything- the growcube will tell if its cut or seed.L.O.L.
No really I got so much work to do- I just tried 6 new crosses. Not one was a bad thing. All seem very sedative, some maybe for night only. He he he.
I just reverted 9 plants from these test crosses, some are duplicates.Two more are in flower now. Plus Im running three generations of stinky right now. f1 f2 & f3

 

How are the new seeds ya started,free of defects as you were testing them to see?

 

Well, they are out in the garden, one batch i had to pull a few from. Probly best to wait for the fourth generation which should be fine.....
Damitt jim.
tie

 

I have a gang of beans from an outcross of stinky and the mutant juicyfruit thai.
They seem really manegable for a sativa dom, nice crown on top, and some dense hard nugs, lots of chunky popcorn nugs. Really sedative stone to it.
Those are fusarium free for sure. Im about to harvest one I been picking from, it's pouring on hard fatness now.Mild taste kinda like a sage/skunk thing...Low odor strain.
Might be better for you in that respect, she stinks about half as bad as stinky, but has just as- if not a more sedative stone.....
Im eager to try the NYCD after smoking this ECSD from cut... Very stony, reminds me of late margerita ( the hermie strain i wish i could run- might not hermie in another situation though- the heat could have induced them quite easily.) And can be very manageable the LST way, topping at two foot and flipping them (to 12/12) works great as well.
Might toy around and hit my Sour Diesel with a NYCD male here pretty soon.Molokai frost is about to be added to my larder.

 

so hows those strains coming along?

 

Im vegging the third generation, and doing some backcrosses simultaneously.. Beauty of a shotgun male and proper lineup of strains. It's going to be a couple more months before I can be sure this fusarium will not carry through my seeds.But im confident I have a humbolt -based/type strain that will withstand any drought or man made pathogen it encounters.
Time will tell, as i generally say.
Im smokin a bit of the f1 used in a backcross, and it makes me forget my own dogs name man. Might be too heavy, sometimes i worry it is.Nightime smoke, but so tasty you cannot stop smokin it.4 hour pain shelf to it... Vicoden only works 3 hours for her. Stinky helps out for four solid hours.I might need a test grower or two, experienced or not, i need both types of input.
But i really want med growers to try it- because it was designed for medicine.Pain and head medicine. I have pics in my gallery but cant seem to upload more yet.

 

These are a little heatstressed from the A/C going out last week. This is around 35 days 12/12 stinky f1. There is also a kush it is taller with darker leaves.