journalism merged

Discussion in 'Writers Forum' started by flowerchild89, Jan 4, 2005.

  1. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    hmm... leaving school because of grades?
    or if you were stimulated, would school be a good thing?
    I'm a HS drop out who went on to college. It's possible but not easy. lots of make up math in my case. LOTS of expensive make up math classes.
    School paper meant college, sorry.
    do you want to cover sports, or courts/ crime, do you want to tell people's stories?
    WHY do you want to be a reporter?
    (for me, there were no other options: I wrote well, love getting people to talk and I enjoy the music scene that I'm in, so I write some on that.)
    Free lance is an ancient greek word for under paid, BTW. :)
     
  2. drumminmama

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    duh... I'm assuming print... do you mean print? or TV/ radio as well?
     
  3. deadonceagain

    deadonceagain mankind is a plague

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    print, im not actuly sure what i want to cover pretty much anything but sports realy,actuly the main reason why i would like to get into jounalism is i love to write and this gives a job doing it becasue i dont know if ill ever make money if i write a book or something , i have to make money somehow and jounalism is something i think id like to take a stab at and i tihnk it will be something i will enjoy doing also it might be something that i can shoot for that will get me actuly careing about school to, i just want to know how and where i can start,

    thanks
     
  4. MattInVegas

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    Item #1 in journalism. GIVE the people what they want.
    Item #2. Identify your target Audience. Makes #1 easier!
    I look for the MOST up-to-date news I can get when 'I' want it.
     
  5. drumminmama

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    well, Matt, NEWS has different meanings to diff people, even in a small community.
    One person might want the guide dogs story while the other wants to know if the pervert is selling his house (see how fun my week has been?)
    deadonceagain. What size community do you live in?
    Some times a local editor can be talked into carrying a story, but it seems you need a bit of how-to -do -it as well, nu?
    Can you take decent (not necessarily great) pix?
     
  6. deadonceagain

    deadonceagain mankind is a plague

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    i have no idea what you just said,sorry
     
  7. drumminmama

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    how large is your town?
    Small communities have "small papers" that will often carry stuff by high schoolers.
    pix is short for pictures, photographs.
    If you can write AND take pix, you are valuable to a paper that often can't keep a full time pohotgrapher.
    What do you know about writing news? Any experience at all? Including classes?
    Also my answers will be based in business in the US.
     
  8. feministhippy

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    Newspaper journalism? It depends how far you want to go in the feild. The smaller papers in my area usually require an associates (sp?) degree. The bigger papers usually require a masters and expect you to have been published in another paper.

    Telivised journalism I don't know much about, but I do remember that when I was in high school RNN took interns and they did everything from sound to visuals to writing parts of the script.
     
  9. deadonceagain

    deadonceagain mankind is a plague

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    i dont know if my town has a paper ill have to cheak that out, yes i can take pictures i did a littile photography befor nothing realy big but i screwed around long enough to know what im doing, i realy dont know much about writing about news,no classes or anything, one day i was just reading a story about something of other not realy even paying attension to it and the idea just popped into my head, that maybe i could do something in journlism.
    pretty much im starting with no experience what so ever
     
  10. veinglory

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    Start by seeing if they'll let you visit for a day. The job may not be what you hope. Other than that you need good technical English language skills. Started by volunteering for the smallest paper you can find, covering local events like gigs and proofreading. If you can't find a print paper check out online venues.
     
  11. Burn

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    Hey everybody...

    I was just wondering: does anyone know where to start with journalism? I know there is a previous thread about this... But um, I'm looking for something I can start up immediately with. I just finished high school and I'm sort of getting a head start on my writing career. Call me an optimist, but I think, if I can find the right circumstances, I'll be able to reach some sort of early success. I know it is a long hard road, yes, but I'm determined to make it.

    I would love to write books, short stories. I would love to be creative. I am. I will continue to be... But (yes, there's always a catch), I think diving into journalism might help establish a career I can survive better on - at first, and then build up into becoming more of an author.

    So, this evening I browsed a bit on google, trying to find some journal sites I could maybe submit things to. Honestly, I have no idea where to start.

    Does anybody have contacts, tips or good links that would help me get a start on this?

    Ah, and part two...

    An idea popped into my head... Why not start a little journal of my own? It would gather many writers together, get us noticed and hopefully rise us up there in the public eye or whatever our wishes may be...

    Needless to say, after some brief searches on Google I realized that was already happening... Still, it's an interesting idea.

    At any rate: Help, anyone? ... And.... Anyone think it's a good idea?
     
  12. drumminmama

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    Do you want this to feed you?
    The only way to start w/o a degree is to work at a crappy position in a small paper for a few years. Eventually the phrase bachelors degree or equivalent will appear in the perfect gig.
    Hopefully before your retirement.
    FWIW, I make less than $11/ hr with a degree and 10 years experience because of location.
    But it is great fun.

    Really the degree is worth it IF you have a teacher that forces you to learn how to network.
     
  13. drumminmama

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    deadonce again , PM your location and I'll find the closest paper.
     
  14. veinglory

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    The days of journalsim apprenticeships are gone and most positions will blindly required a degree. As suggested above you can probabaly find some low level job with a newspaper or magazine if you are prepared to take lower wages and move to where the job is. Once you get in the door and work hard people will tend to notice it. It doesn't hurt to take on some extra training (distance learning or part-time classes), especially in copyediting or relevant IT. These skills will make you extra useful. In my experience small papers always need good proofreaders and the computers are always acting up ;)
     
  15. veinglory

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    Oh, and to seond it--the degree route isn't such a bad idea but choose teachers with industry contacts and suck up, freelance as you go so that you exit the degree with contacts and clips.
     
  16. deadonceagain

    deadonceagain mankind is a plague

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    on line venues, please explane
     
  17. artful_dodger

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    There are many "papers" that publish only online. I've written for one of them, The New Standard. btw, they'll hire without a degree, if you have solid experience and skills. At least one of their contributors started out by doing her own zine.

    Others include political commentary site CommonDreams, news/culture magazine Salon.com, online music magazine JamBase... there are literally thousands. Many of the smaller ones are thrilled to take contributions from budding writers.

    You may also want to see if there is a local IndyMedia where you live. IndyMedia is a 100% volunteer-run news organization. I've volunteered for my local IMC, Tampa Bay IndyMedia, since its inception. Our pool of volunteers includes a couple of retired newspaper editors. Their instruction is invaluable. Some of the larger IMCs -- New York, for instance -- even offer formal internships.
     
  18. drumminmama

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    Jambase has helped me zero percent in getting a print gig.
    If one were a web designer, that would be different.
    An Honest Tune helps more in that the layout catches eyes in the string book.
    For the level DOA is, a present editor will help loads.
    I know people who got their foot in the door by taking box scores after sports games (a dull and too fast gig---and more people complain if a sports score is wrong than if a meeting date is wrong), proof reading, but you need stellar English skills. You'd be catching the reporters' mistakes. You also need to know Associated Press (AP) style (pick up a copy of the Associated Press Style Guide at a bigger bookstore or online)and the newspaper's style...if the editor has developed one.
     
  19. deadonceagain

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    i have to say my english skills are not the best,i want to imporve them but i dont know many grammer rules,i know basic stuff from english class even those im not good with,im still not sure how to actuly get to work for a paper sence i have pretty much no skills,i realy dont know to ask them for a job because i dont know much about papers anyway,but i do read the news paper everyday so its a start
     
  20. artful_dodger

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    I mentioned JamBase because having photos published there helped a friend get other assignments. I think it's definitely a YMMV situation.

    Really, online clips, especially from the tiny sites I mentioned before, are not the best portfolio builders... mostly, I was thinking in terms of getting in the habit of writing.

    Absolutely! Getting a real, live editor should be the ultimate goal; the rest certainly couldn't hurt in the interim, though.

    Seconding this one, absolutely! Better to learn it now than to develop a style and have to break habits later....



    *says the girl who manages at least one style error an article, still*:rolleyes:
     
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