The oversexualization of breasts.

LOL. Alex. my thought exactly.

Jboy, I gave the name, the authors, the results and the year of the study. (As well as recommended a book, which addressed the issue in detail.) If that isn't enough for you, then do the rest yourself. I am not being abusive, damn, I'm not the one who called you a Nazi! Pffft.

 

Umm....did you read what I said? I said "not that men arent welcome in the womens forum....."
i was making a statement about jiiman.....no one stated that men are not welcome.

 

Why exactly is it "sad" that I "hang around" the women's forum. Are you suggesting that the women's forum is a place where nothing of value is discuessed, because since it's geared towards "women's issues" it's not that important? I find your logic kind of odd.

 

Why isnt he aloud to post his opinions..I dont understand
Hes never mean or rude or doesnt curse at anyone, like others do..
People have opinions, just because he is a man doesnt make his any less..

 

What I said is being taken out of context.
Anyone who has been around the forums a long time knows that jiiman is a constant poster in the womens forum. And of all his posts they all seem to be of an argumentive nature. Ok...mabye not ALL of them...but most. It seems that he is more against women and loves to argue (alot) rather than just making a nice conversation. That is what I meant...not saying opinions or "male opinons" are not welcome or whatever. So that is my observation.

 

no, you know I didnt mean it that way. if you are confused read the above post.
I am not trying to "flame" you.....but I dont think my observation is the least bit wrong.

 

Interesting. Again you appear to be dependent upon the opinions of others to elucidate what you "think"--down to calling me "Jboy". One would think that someone of your, er, advanced age, would be able to express herself on their own.

I'm not quite sure why you don't get it: if YOU raise a point, and in raising that point, cite certain "facts" to substantiate this point, YOU are obligated to prove that these "facts" indeed exist. If you CAN'T or WILL NOT do so, then maybe it's best not to cite these "facts" in the first place. Doing what you've done simply destroys what little credibility that you have.

Again, as for your avoiding the other points that I raised: come on, don't be chicken, let's hear what you have to say about them. I know you won't, because I know you know that by doing so you'll look like a complete and total fool.

 

I quite understood what you wrote, and it seems to me that it is a peculiar that you would write such a thing. How is it that if a man "hangs around" a discussion forum, for example, that deals with issues that pertain primarily to women, that somehow there's something wrong with that? Yet, make the same kind of argument towards women who want to be included in discussions that primarily deal with traditionally male issues, such as politics, this would be deemed sexist. Women seemed to be very keyed up about double standards, but time and again women like you just make me shake my head and wonder: how can you be so brazenly hypocritical and be none the wiser?

 

First of all...you really are twisting things. Um....when did politics become a primarily "male" issue anyway? But whatever....I didnt say anything about a man...I was talking about you and you only. I am sure that lots of men hang out in this forum(and are well welcomed no doubt) but you are the only one that is always here with something to say that is arguementive and seemingly more against women than anything else.( i have been here a LOOONg time) I am not being hypocritical since I am not argueing anything about "women being included in...." whatever. You just threw that one in there, huh? Well, I dont care to have an arguement with you. I made an observation about the way YOU carry yourself in this forum inparticular and if you think it was a wrong observation then say so...but dont twist things to make it about something else for your sake,ok?

 

No, it's not being taken out of context: you state that I "hang around" here and that I "just wants to argue with women". This is complete bunk. I don't assail every woman that comes along here. I have issues with certain opinions and ideologies, and here they happen to be expressed by women. Why is it that I shouldn't be able to question the validity of a theory or opinion just because it's made by a woman? It makes no sense.

With Maggie_Sugar in particular it has everything to do with her faulty, ideologically-based "logic". God knows that there are men (or those who proport to be men) whose similar lack of logic I've devoted much time arguing against.

 

well ok. I dont see any of your other posts other than this forum so that is where i made my observation. just seemed like you like to argue, rarely have i seen anything positive from you in this forum which brought me to the assumption that you like to argue with women. if that is wrong....it is just my observation....so i am not saying that it is all mighty and right....just my observation from being around here alot.

 

What I was infering was the fact that politics having traditionally been the realm of men, women who tried to get involved were usually kindly given similar lines as to why maybe they shouldn't in a similar manner as you used against me. I thought that this would an analogy that you'd get, but I guess I was wrong.

No I'm not twisting things at all--unless presenting my own opinions, ones that don't jive with yours, constitutes twisting.

I'll admit to being argumentative--but that's the case elsewhere as well, and not all of the time, and certainly not "more against women than anything else". But when I came here, initially, I did simply express my opinion on certain subjects, and instead of having that opinion taken for what it is, I was set upon by a number of idealogues, some of whom have now been banned for their conduct. Moreover, some of the members here, presumably Maggie Sugar and the late Astrocat among them, tried to get me banned, but Skip recognized that I'm not here to cause trouble. So if you don't like me, or what I say, feel free to ignore me--it certainly won't bother me one bit. But don't sit there and suggest that I'm sexist, have developmental problems, and then demean me by altering my name to to "Jiiboy". Jiimaan is an Ojibway word, and is in fact pronounced "Che-maun" and has nothing to do with being male or masculine.

 

I did get what you said about politics. But that has no comparison to this context of conversation since I am not saying anything about you as in "you are a man,therefore...". I didnt say you were sexist. Again, just seemed like you always wanted to come in with your opposing opinion ( ihave never seen one that wasnt purley opposing) and then followed that with an arguement. So thats all really. It seemed like you were being negative all of the time....never an exeption. I am not trying to tell you how to post or state your opinion....it was just an opinon of the way you dont seem to ever have anything nice to say which would lead me to the assumption that you just come in here to argue. But thats it....like I said, if you feel that was a wrong observation then say so...and you did. ok.

 

I may be a 40 year old woman who breastfed 7 kids, and think its dumb that woman can't go topless like men but it's even dumber to keep calling this the "woman's forum" and complain that men hang out here with their opinions. Why can't men write in this thread, even if they are different then yours or mine, and do it without having someone hinting that there is something wrong with them.

The point in here is that EVERYONE has a chest. Men won the right to go topless in 1939, women should have the same right now. Sounds like a debate for both sexes to me.

 

i wasnt talking about "men" i was talking about jiiman only. it was about his posts in general...not about what he has to say about this issue.

 

What is sexy about a woman?

Well Ankles for one thing, and I'm not kidding. Doubt me? Take a look at hillary clinton's! NOT sexy.

And the way a girl moves! I don't know how they even do it. Must be the way they are built. And i don't only mean the "Marilyn Monroe" sway either.

And necks!

And heart-shaped butts.

And round bellies.

And soft hair --- color means nothing.

And eyes! Oh yes eyes!

But especially breasts.

 

Oh and legs. I love women's legs.
And hands.

But especially breasts!
The way they jiggle.
The way they sway.
The nipples.
The feel of them in my hand.
The way the girl responds when i touch them. And THAT is what proves they are a sexual organ.

 

You forget that you observed that I was not a woman, making it all the more strange to you that I should be "hanging around" this forum. That would seem to indicate that in general you think that this isn't a place for men.

 

I'm with jiimaan. How ridiculous and disgusting for a woman to think it strange that a man is always lurking in a women's issues (not a gender issues or a feminist issues) forum.

 

yeah...welll....how many times need i say that wasnt the point nor was it meant that way. I pointed it out simply because it seemed as though he was here purely for arguement and it seemed that way for a very long time. so i was observing that he was simply a man who liked to argue with women or had a "bone to pick" so to speak. That is it.....had nothing to do with "men" as previouly said. thanks