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Arabs who supposedly piloted planes into those towers, yet are still alive, I might add.

 

Exactly. It used to be the networks (and papers) competed to get the most accurate unbiased reporting, now, with market saturation (cable channels, local papers available nationally) people can watch or read whatever they want. And people like to read and watch things they agree with. So most americans aren't getting unbiased accurate news, they're getting "news" that they already agree with. Not 100% obviously, but it's for this reason that Fox exists as it does, as well as other variously coservative and liberal news sources.

As to the second point, the fact that the media (at least in the US) has become much more centrally owned (that is, lots of stations owned by the same corporation), such that we call it "Big Media", it has gone from being primarily a news delivery system to primarily a money collecting (capitalistic) system. It's more about markets, ratings, and profits than quality news. Sure, that's always been an issue, but it used to be one's reputation as a quality news source was the main concern, profits were there but depended on reputation. Now, it seems to be reversed. I'm not sure why, either the public cares less about bias, or don't know, or there's less competition, or something else I'm missing.

By the way, the reason Fox shows the Simpsons has nothing to do with values or political leanings. The whole network probably doesn't give much of a shit about that. They know what sells. Money money money, isn't that what it's always about? Sure, the leaders at Fox are conservative, but not so conservative so as to let that get in the way of their greed.

 

"Sure, the leaders at Fox are conservative, but not so conservative so as to let that get in the way of their greed."

Greed is what conservatives are all about these days.

 

And liberals are not...? ALL Politicians are about greed, and they are all liars, on both sides of the aisle.

 

That is true. But Conservative beliefs and policy are greedy at their core. At least liberal idealogy is, in theory, anti-greed. The problem is it's not applied this way.

 

that and "liberal democrats" in America are moderate to strong conservatives on the political spectrums of Canada and most of Europe.

 

True conservativism is not all about greed, and true liberalism is not all about... well, whatever the hell they're about these days... I guess complaining about Bush. True conservatism is about self-determination. But whatever they used to be about, they both are now about taking our liberties and taking our money.

 

"True conservativism is not all about greed" Thats absolutely correct. Unfortunately, todays conservatism is not the "true" conservatism of many years past.

 

You're right about that.

 

I could say you judge todays standards with history. I was just throwing another slightly meaningless quote at another fairly meaningless quote .. one that has been altered over the years to make a cliched point.

 

So belief in the idea that you should be allowed to run your business how you like to make a profit is just greed?

 

Let me put it simple for those who want this ID card..........

I don't agree with a national ID card because it goes against our Constitutional Rights. Bottomline, case closed!!

And for those who don't agree, how about this then. To make you and I happy, if you want the ID card, you can get one, for me, no thanks. See, simple.

 

So would the belief in the idea that a person should have the freedom to live how they want to give them the freedom to run around with a pen and stab everyone he doesn't like in the eye?

I advocate the first freedom. I do not advocate the second. The same idea applies to business - you can have the freedom to run your business however you want until you use that freedom to gain profit at the expense of civilians, or non-competition. But todays conservatives would advocate BOTH of the immediately afforementioned freedoms. They keep giving tax breaks to the rich (or themselves) and giving corporations MORE freedom to destroy out environment and our future. Today's conservatives don't give a damn about anything but imposing their twisted, hypocritical "morals" on society, and their sweet, sweet money (for the conservatives that aren't rich, it becomes mostly a matter of imposing those morals).