Strange Question about France - Circumcision?

Discussion in 'France' started by HoldenC, May 14, 2005.

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  1. HoldenC

    HoldenC Member

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    I know this sounds odd, but i saw this film in french recently, I've no idea what it was called, and failed to understand most of it, but there was some reference made to circumcision, and I just wanted to ask any French people here a few questions:

    Is circumcision common in France?
    What is thought of it?

    I'd assumed that since France is/was a Catholic country, the rate would be low, but ???

    Thanks.
     
  2. Kastenfrosch

    Kastenfrosch Blaubeerkuchen!! Lifetime Supporter

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    I think circumsision is only rarely done in any european country
     
  3. diable moelleux

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    Well there are many different religions in France, though the Catholic one has still the biggest influence, indeed. I don't think that circumcision is really common in France, but sure there is. I don't know much about religions, but Jews and Muslims do that, don't they ? But then how many of them do that in France : i've just got no idea.

    Anyway, about religion, if you don't know much about France, there is something special here : we're a laïc country and we don't understand it right like english/american people. It just means everyone is firstly a citizen of the Republic and then independently, he may have the religion he wants, or no religion, and we don't care. Most of people may see it differently because laïcity... isn't very well defined... but the point is : you shouldn't be worried about your religion, and no religion may influence the political power.

    Apart from that, i think it's the country who's got the biggest rate of atheists. Although it is still the biggest, the Catholic Church has not such a big influence like in the USA for example. We would be shocked if the President told anything religious at the television for example.

    I'm writing all this because you wrote France is/was a Catholic country and it sounds strange... France doesn't depend on a religion anymore (since 1905)... it's a Republic.
     
  4. SpliffVortex

    SpliffVortex Senior Member

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    Isn't it insulting to the average male's intelligence to think that surgery is preferable
    because he can't be entrusted with washing his genitals

    Hygiene is the most commonly offered reason to circumcise. Isn't it an extreme decision to substitute surgery for habitual cleaning with soap and water? Isn't it insulting to the average male's intelligence to think that surgery is preferable because he can't be entrusted with washing his genitals when somehow he manages to brush his teeth, clean his ears and blow his nose?

    Female genitals are far more complicated to clean and (fortunately) no one in this country is advocating removal of those folds of skin!

    Some say circumcision promotes cleanliness, which protects against cancer. Yet, the penile cancer rate in Europe (where circumcision is rarely done) is no higher than in the United States (where it's routinely done).

    More U.S. deaths occur each year from circumcision than from penile cancer! Less than two men in 100,000 ever get penile cancer. If the penile cancer argument had validity, it would show up among men born before 1940 who are, as a group, more intact genitally than later generations. But it has not.

    Another reason offered: the infant penis will be safer. Sadly, the opposite is true. The foreskin is a protective covering of the glans (head) against excrement that collects in diapers. With circumcision, this protection is gone like a camera without its lens cover.

    At birth the foreskin is not retractable, but it will be by about six years, due to natural secretions that separate the foreskin from the glans and due to the child's explorations.

    In the late 1800s physicians circumcised to dull penile sensation and thus discourage masturbation (a practice they thought led to mental and physical disorders). A man without a foreskin was less likely to masturbate because he wouldn't discover the pleasures associated with cleaning his penis.

    Back then John Kellogg "researched" the diseases caused by masturbation and found more than 30. He also "identified" masturbators by tell-tale signs: poor posture, acne and insomnia. Kellogg recommended a nutritional cure for masturbators: his breakfast cereals. Sylvester Graham prescribed his crackers as the antidote!

    Physicians took it a step further, circumcising as a preventative measure. As time passed, society realized that masturbation caused no illness. That's when reasons about hygiene and cancer prevention emerged.

    Circumcision as religious expression is another matter completely. However, for 2,000 years, until about 140 A.D., Jews did not cut off the entire foreskin, rather just the tip of it as an act of faith to fulfill the Commandment of Circumcision. The complete removal was later introduced by rabbis because the tip-removal procedure made it very easy to pass as a non-Jew. Since hygiene isn't really an issue and circumcision no longer is a sign of a man's religion, some Jewish parents - even if they want circumcision - are considering returning to the original practice.

    If you're concerned that your uncircumcised son "won't look like other men," remember that 41 percent in the United States aren't circumcised. Also know that he'll have good company: Vida Blue, Johnny Carson, Francis Coppola, Tony Danza, Erik Estrada, Frank Gifford, Hugh Hefner, Ron Howard, Don Johnson, Eddie Murphy, Elvis Presley, Robert Redford, and Mr. T - to name a few.
     
  5. Rainbowgirl

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    I love circumcised men. And I looooooooooooove Elvis Presley too !

    No matter with the religions. According to me it is more a practical question (it gets quicker to put the condom and it's better for fellatio !).
    Even sometimes I found that circumcised sex are much more beautiful than the others but basically I love every sex.
     
  6. HoldenC

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    are you french? how many men have you know that were circumcised? how many that were not?
     
  7. diable moelleux

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    I didn't know that circumcision was so widely spread in the USA !
     
  8. HoldenC

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    Yeah, it is. It's pretty disgusting to do that to a baby, I think.
     
  9. SpliffVortex

    SpliffVortex Senior Member

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    DUMB BITCH Elvis was not circumcise.
     
  10. HoldenC

    HoldenC Member

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    Mate, you're getting out of control, please shut up and leave.
     
  11. SpliffVortex

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    Not any more is only 60% rate TODAY but was higher in the late 60s 70s 80s .. In the 90s it went down when all medical profession no longer said it was justifiable .Most health insurance resuse to pay for it ,along many state free health cover no longer pay for it.
     
  12. SpliffVortex

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    sorry im not your mate.
     
  13. HoldenC

    HoldenC Member

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    Will you please just fuck off and get a life. You're a psycho, and if I knew you in real life, I'd beat the shit out of you.
     
  14. SpliffVortex

    SpliffVortex Senior Member

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    Most of you are very tough behind a keyboard and monitor.
     
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