one nation, under god

LuciferSam · Jun 15, 2004

GrievousAngel said:

Just checking for arguements i'm agnostic as well but i refuse to take the Big Bang as totally true.
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And neither do I. I do think of it as having more merit than creationism.

dotadave · Jun 16, 2004

Megara said:

"In separate, concurring opinions, Chief Justice William Rehnquist and justices Sandra Day O'Connor and Clarence Thomas argued the court should have addressed the constitutional issue.

The justices said that the pledge does not violate the First Amendment, which prohibits the establishment of religion by the government.

"To give the parent of such a child a sort of 'heckler's veto' over a patriotic ceremony willingly participated in by other students, simply because the Pledge of Allegiance contains the descriptive phrase 'under God,' is an unwarranted extension of the establishment clause, an extension which would have the unfortunate effect of prohibiting a commendable patriotic observance," Rehnquist wrote."

Thats from the first page. It seems you are in the minority in thinking its a violation of th establishment clause.

Where do you get the idea that to be a "true american" you have to 1) say under god, or 2) even say the pledge? Where are you getting this idea? DarkLunacy is as much an american as i am, and he refuses to say the pledge.

It doesnt matter if there are no constitutional scholars in grade schools, no one is forced to say anything. If they are, they can sue the school system, its as easy as that.

He wants the phrase "under god" removed from the pledge, which is a spit in the face to a lot of americans. What religion exactly is being established? just a religion? Is the government forcing anyone to adhere to any particular religion? NO, so there is NO violation of seperation of church and state.
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Look at the reasoning behind adding it to the pledge, then look at the text of the establishment clause

danip · Jun 16, 2004

sorry just getting into this post..

damn you could get a nice lawsuit if you would have been suspended for not saying the pledge. i happen to say it and im one of the few that do because i love my country, but i love my country for being able to have freedoms like not saying the pledge in school if you choose not to. although people who get bitchey about it having the word god in it shoudl be shot thats such a petty little thing...

Megara · Jun 17, 2004

stilanas said:

Look at the reasoning behind adding it to the pledge, then look at the text of the establishment clause
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sure, religion was banned in soviet russia. We affirmed that people here, can, do, and will believe in god if they choose.

dotadave · Jun 19, 2004

Megara said:

sure, religion was banned in soviet russia. We affirmed that people here, can, do, and will believe in god if they choose.
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They also have a right to not choose god, and shouldn't have to worry about their children being forced to attend school where they are coerced by pressure from their peers and their instructor to declare that our nation exists under god.

Megara · Jun 19, 2004

stilanas said:

They also have a right to not choose god, and shouldn't have to worry about their children being forced to attend school where they are coerced by pressure from their peers and their instructor to declare that our nation exists under god.
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We have the freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. No one is forced to do or say anything.

Sorry, thats just how it is.

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