A Cure For Cancer

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by FNA, Apr 18, 2005.

  1. FNA

    FNA Member

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    I was watching Fox (of all channels) last night, and there was this infomercial, but it was not like any infomercial I've ever seen. It seemed very controversial. This guy was promoting (selling) his book called something like "Cures they don't want you to know about." He claimed there were cures for everything from Herpes to Depression. I didn't catch it all, but he was talking about cancer, saying if your body is alkaline you won't get cancer, or if you do, it will go away. He went on to say repeatedly that the drug companies just want to keep charging you for medications you don't need, and that won't cure you. I was impressed that he actually went into detail about alot of things instead of just making you buy his book.

    Does this cure make sense to anyone?
     
  2. Dovir

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    Yea, I have seen that too. It's really amazing on what he said, the cure for cancer didn't really make much sense to me. I think it is true that drug comapanies don't want you to get cured of your illness, because if you get cured of your illness, they won't get any more money.
    Also, I don't really like the pill commercials, because they just convince people to tell their doctor that they want that medicine, and if they get it, it might not be the right medicine for them.
     
  3. FNA

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    Yeah, he's absolutely right in saying that, I just don't trust infomercials. Nor FOX. The other thing he said that you boys and girls can try at home is when you have heartburn, you drink a bit of vinegar. He claims people with recurring heartburn problems that had tried this remedy reported an end to their condition after a couple months, not to mention the instant relief at the time.

    I think this is what Michael Moore's next movie is about, so that gives me some hope that what he's saying isn't some infomercial-type exploitation.
     
  4. deadonceagain

    deadonceagain mankind is a plague

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    well heart burn if you think about it is just the acid level in your stomich is messed up and taking somthing thats more base will lower the acid level, theres realy no need for pills unless you have damage from heartburn, i realy do think pills are bullshit read the littile paper thingys that come with them it shows the placebo effect, i read it for zoloft once or was it wellbetrin it was like half placebo effect.
     
  5. PhotoGra1

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    No, the drugs are compared to placebo. Zoloft and Wellbutrin both have superior efficacy to placebo, or they would not have been approved. You severely misunderstood the professional insert. Sometimes, a little information is a dangerous thing. . .
     
  6. Maggie Sugar

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    QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK!!!! Stay away from this crap. They want you to buy the book, that is it, in that way they are WORSE than the drug companies, because many of the drugs the companies make actually work, while the things in books like this don't.

    If these miracle cures did actually work, medicine would welcome them. Doctors don't want their patients to suffer (well most of them don't) and if there was drug free cures for all these diseases, it would be researched and used.
     
  7. Bikshu

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    Heh, I've been inside actualy drug company R&D departments. They do care about finding stuff that works. They also care about selling you stuff you dont need. Just because you dont need it doesnt mean it doesnt work. And some medicines are limited. Thats why they are labeled as treatments and not cures.
     
  8. guy

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    eat seeds of apricots,apples etc seeds of fruit except oranges and lemons because they don't have vitamin b17 in due to of cultivation practice. i have seen an ex of mine get rid of one benign lump on her eye lid and suspected skin cancer on her ear. i have eaten as many seeds of apricots that i could stomach and have somehow remained alive to tell this tale! that goes for apples too. check out vitamin b17 and find out for yourself. by the way apricots and peaches require you to break the outer casing to get to the seed, just incase you were wondering.
     
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  10. Maggie Sugar

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    These both contain cynanide. Apricot, peach, pear and apple seeds are toxic.

    Laetrile (falsly known as "Vitamin B17") is one of the biggest quackery scams in modern medicine. Eating cyanide will not cure you of anything.
     
  11. Maggie Sugar

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    Here is just a small sample of people who were harmed by these types of quackery "treatments." These have all been verified.



    Case Reports, Direct Harm
    Nonpermanent Injury:

    • Two reports. A 48-yr-old female with lymphoma taking 6 mg laetrile intravenously each week and three 500 mg tablets 3x daily experienced two episodes of cyanide poisoning.
    • A 46-yr-old male with lung cancer taking 500 mg laetrile orally daily experienced cyanide poisoning. (Smith, et al. JAMA, 1977;238:1361)
    • 61-yr-old female former cancer patient who took laetrile orally for 5 yrs. suffered agranulocytosis (decreased number of granulocytes ie, white blood cells): Recovered. (Liegner K, Beck EM, Rosenberg A, "Laetrile-induced agranulocytosis," JAMA,, 1981;246:2841-2)
    • 48-yr-old female with lung cancer suffered near-fatal cyanide poisoning from laetrile ingestion. (Morse DL, Boros L, Findley PA. New Engl J Med. Oct 18, 1979, p.892)
    • 67-yr-old female with colon cancer, who had refused standard therapies for laetrile, experienced severe cyanide poisoning after swallowing a slurry of water with 12 bitter almonds. (Shragg TA, Albertson TE, Fisher CJ. Western J Med, 136:65-69, 1982)
    • 33-yr-old female with benign breast lump consumed Chaparral Leaf herbal compound tablets (up to 15 per day ; developed subacute hepatic necrosis. (Katz. J Clin Gastroenterol, 1990;12:203-6)
    Death:

    • Postoperative anxiety led a 17-yr-old female, who had refused recommended post-operative radiation, to a clinic south of San Diego following surgical removal of brain tumor (astrocytoma). She was taking laetrile intravenously but could not locate a vein, and swallowed 3 1/2 ampuls. Cause of death apparent cyanide poisoning. (Sadoff, et al. "Rapid death associated with laetrile ingestion," JAMA, 239:1532-33, 1978.)
    • A 42-yr-old female (Jo Anne Etta Pye) with breast cancer died of cyanide poisoning from taking a large dose of laetrile in hope of curing her cancer. Associated Press (Oakland, CA) 2/7/79.
    • 2 reports: 35-yr-old female with breast cancer suffered heart attack, and a 58-yr-old male died of pneumonia following hyperthermia at questionable cancer clinic in Chicago area. (Pepper Report, 1984, p.150)
    Harm to others:

    • A healthy 11-month-old girl died after accidentally swallowing one to five 500 mg laetrile tablets belonging to her father who was using "Kemdalin" for cancer treatment and considered the pills to be "harmless vitamins." (Braico KT, et al. New Engl J Med, 1979;300:238-40)
     
  12. stephaniesomewhere

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    this thread and the thread in old hippies about curing the guy from cancer with poultices, juices, reiki and other alternative methods could have a damn good fight if they ever met!!!

    What is it that the arsenic from the almonds is meant to deal with?
    I have a feeling I know the answer but I might have it wrong and am trying to learn more about all these ideas...thanks!
    :)
    p.s. does all the thinking about parasites/worms being responsible for cancer come from an older idea of how our boides and other organisms work together or have I got that wrong? (I am presuming this is what the cyanide was for?)

    thanks in advance for thoughtful thughts!!
    :D
     
  13. Natura Calm

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    i don't want to offend anyone..this is just my opinion...

    i'm really starting to think there is no cure for cancer...as far as i know the cancer disease didn't develop in people (yes i know we all have cancer cells) until the industrial age (if i'm wrong stop reading lol)...people started getting cancer from things like cigarettes, chemicals, etc.

    think about it, we made unnatural things using unnatural substances and it resulted in an unnatural disease with no natural cure...imagine that.

    i really believe that the only way people will stop getting cancer is when they stop making the cancer-causing products..will that happen? inthis day and age i doubt it.

    furthermore, i wonder if we were born with these cancer cells BEFORE the industrial age. maybe all this exposure to cancer-causing agents hits us before birth and the cells are created in our early development.

    however, i find it odd that i haven't heard of a celebrity with cancer...do they just pull out of showbiz if they get it? is it too scary to go public? or is there something we don't know about. But i still doubt the government would hide a cure like that from us...
     
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  15. interval_illusion

    interval_illusion Deceased

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    well,

    food is medicine. if you use the right food plan..... i think you can maybe cure something. not easy and not something the big drug industry aka gov. doesnt exactly WANT people to know.
     
  16. guy

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    hi
    as i said before, eat the seeds of fruit etc. i didn't say go poking around your veins injecting anything etc. you know its funny, alot of people get very angry about this whole subject. as i said before i have personally eaten the seeds-as many as i could stomach and have "some how" miraculously lived to tell the tale. i wouldn't tell anyone to do something i'm not game enough to do myself. people eat things with b17 in all the time - millet for example very "dangerous" stuff been eaten for thousands of years without side effects, bamboo shoots -its obvious this stuff is lethal after all this is obviously why panda's are becoming extinct along with most of the chinese population who probably eat this stuff too. macadamia nuts, strawberrys,brewers yeast, eucalyptus leaves (koala's are obviously extinct over here in australia ,they live on the stuff), alfalfa sprouts, barley, lentils, walnuts i could go on and on. you'll probably find that people who don't eat enough of certain foods will go down with cancer, its kind of like vitamin deficiency, like scurvy and eating foods like oranges etc with vitamin c in them. from what i have seen and heard i'm open to the concept that our diet will wreak havoc with our bodies if we don't eat certain foods. yes these foods have a cyanide based compound but then again so do banana's i think! when i get the urge to eat some apricot seeds i do so and eat them with the fruit, essentially this limits the amount you can put into your system. if you overload it with injections you might just get a nasty surprise. judging from from other sections of this website eating a measly seed is going to do far less "harm" than the other concoctions being promoted! don't get angry. in my experience even if you tell people about this stuff they don't want to know, and i usually just briefly mention it out of compassion towards my fellow human. so you've got to make your own mind up.
     
  17. FNA

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    Well, I agree that anything used irresponsibly and inappropriately is dangerous. You seem to be describing alot of cases of desperation. When I say vinegar will probably work for your heartburn, I don't mean you should go and chug a vat of the shit. I don't think you can just say QUACK and discredit all of these natural cures. That's the kind of close-minded thinking that mis-leads people. Now, I'm not saying these miracle cures work either. I've never tried any of them, I'm no expert, but if some had some kind of need, I believe they should look into them. Just because cyanide is poison, doesn't make it evil, or useless. Oxygen is a poisoness destructive element too.
     
  18. shameless_heifer

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    As a Natural Health Care Provider for 30 Odd years. I would have to say that one 'cure' does not work for everyone. Each individual has slightly different chemistry make up and so may differ in which Herbs, Oil or Method work for them.
    Nature work for our best interest. We are what we eat. When we don't get the proper nutrition our bodies become malnurished and we suffer disease.
    By balancing out our nutrition with natural suppliments we achive ulitimate health. If our colon is 'dirty' will will become ill. To gain health back we need to use what our bodies assimilate,,natural nurishment.
    When we injest inorganic materials our bodies do not assimulate them and we are left defenceless with no nurishment and we grow sicker and weaker. Forgien bodies that our systems cannot tolerate develope into cancers and other deadly disease's.
    Natural substance is the ONLY 'cure' for disease. Mordern medicine only treats symtoms.
    Maggie you know not of which you speak. You read crap. You believe what you want, but it is unwise to disrespect knowledge that has been used since man walked the earth and has helped far more then not. Do you work for a doctor?? You dishonor Nature.
     
  19. shameless_heifer

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    To go one step farther, as I feel it's important and the question was asked. Parasites!!When I was attending Natural Healing Classes at a Healing Clinic in Tyler. One of the main classes was Parasties. I studied parasites for three yrs. denenify them and they're cause and what will get rid of them.There are several that inhabit the human body, causing disease and distruction. We pick up parasites everywhere, they are in our food our water and even in the air we breath. We all have them, so get over it.There are three major parasites that the human body hosts: Pinworms that live in the colon. Flukes that suck off your organs with their beaks and Geardia is a one cell organisium that lives off vital nutrients and leave the host nutritionaly depleated.These parasites eat and suck out our vitality that we get from what we eat and drink. They bore tunnels through our tissue and organs traveling up towards the brain where it's all protien. As the eat their way to our brains, the leave holes that fill up with the waste products that these parasites produce. Like all waste products they are toxic. The toxic tunnels become infected, as the body is weak from improper nutrition which the parasites consumed before the body has a chance to process it. When the immune system is weak then the body does not produce strong enough anti-bodies to defend itself. The body then becomes infested with toxic waste and you become ill and develope disease. These conditions are a perfect enviroment for parasites to thrive in.When an infestation of Pinworms gather in masses and develope a 'nest' the body sends out anti-bodies ( good bacteria ) and this good bacteria forms a calcium shell around it to protect the body from it. These hard shells often develope into tumors/cancers and spread throughout the entire system bringing death to the host.The medical profession does not reconise parasites as a threat and they do not address them in their treatments of the body. They give you anti-biotics that kill all the good bacteria in your whole body leaving you defencless to fight the very thing that will eventually kill you.The doctors don't want you to know that you have these parasites. The reason, well the reason is, that you can keep these invarders at bay with things that grow from the earth that are free. If they were to address parasites then the people could get rid of them at home before they developed into disease and there would be no need for doctors. Why do you think they are so dead set against it.Herbs are food, nutrition and help keep our bodies in ultimate health. They contain vitamines, minerals, aminio acids, anti-oxidents and cell salts, which feed the body. When we have a balance of these nutriients our bodies preform more efficientaly, giving us vitality. When the host is clean the enviroment for the parasites become unsuitable and they can no longer thrive and eventually die off or leave the body.
     
  20. stephaniesomewhere

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    I am wondering about what you think about the recent stuff I have been reading and seeing in reports about the increase in allergies and things such as that disease where you bleed in the gut (celiac? sorry I can't remember the name), and also some suggestions of connections to m.s. and other such diseases that are on the increase, and the decrease in the presence of gutworms in the bodies of westerners, and how this may be due to us over a long time developing a symbiotic relationship with them?
    Also is there a thing such as a normal amount of these worms and that it is an abnormal amount that causes the cancers or is the presence of even one considered dangerous?
    thanks in advance.
    :)
     

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