Thinking about stuff

Ok, currently I am in outpatient rehab for drugs/alcohol. I was pondering on some things they mentioned last night. When you take drugs/alcohol you are rendering your emotions useless. I definately do agree with that statement because say when you get high its just to make yourself happy. When your high you lose control of your true emotions like sadness. And by doing this to your emotions you are unable to properly communicate with people with your full intent (emotions included.) And further on they mention how communication is definately a key role in relationships with other people. An example would be you are dissapointed at one of your friends for any reason and instead of discussing how you really feel you 2 just light up a bowl. By getting high you pretty much just blank out how you really feel and are depriving yourself from helping your friend out. I mean how can you truely respect someone if your getting high all day long and only caring about yourself. I believe being a true friend to someone involves always trying to help them. To me God, Family, Friends should always come before any drug. Because discussing your feelings is very important in any relationship (family,friends,lover.) Under the influence your emotions are definately skewed. Just truely think about what I said because it has a real point to it.

 

you can be a good friend and smoke weed at the same time. yeah i agree some people might take it to a extreme and become too involved in their "drug" use and not be aware of anything else but themselves. i dont think it's right to scapegoat weed for emotional problems, if only one emotional involvement that i have had with weed has been my ability to CONTROL my emotions, i think things more deeply, i dont act out of impulse. like i have become more self aware in some sense. besides, alcohol and pot or anything else affects people differently.

 

Yes I believe you can smoke and still have a relationship but it will always be distorted. By control you are talking about what I'm talking about. You are hiding your true emotions for something instead of dealing with them. Therefore you are masking your true self. Now you said I'm trying to scapegoat weed for emotional problems but that is not what I said. I said it is distorting your emotions. At www.dictionary.com it says a drug is "A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction." That is the definition. Further along I looked up behavior and I got this, "The actions or reactions of a person or animal in response to external or internal stimuli." Therefore the dictionary says your behavior is effected by drugs no matter what. I hope this proves your scapegoat statement wrong. But what I get out of your statement of "i think things more deeply" and "i have become more self aware in some sense" is that you seem to be using those as a scapegoat to be using marijuana.

 

fair enough, you made your point. but may i add that my marijuana consumption is rather limited, lets say once or twice a month, only for recreative purposes...its not like i smoke to think better, i wasnt very clear in explaining it...basically, ever since i started smoking (about 4 years ago) I kinda developed this sort of approach to life that i hadnt come accross til then. i always question whether this has actually something to do with my smoking or its part of growing up. I am very self conscious, very into my thoughts, i've learned to see beyond what its front of me. I'd like to think that it's part of who i am, but coincidently it all started when i started smoking. anyway, i respect your opinion, but i dont know, i dont see any harm in smoking weed from time to time just to chill.

 

i think your a bad person if your as you described. and i think most people are bad. however one of my best friendships is based largely on taking drugs. we dont mask our emotions. we talk a lot about very deep issues, personal ones or philosophical ones, its all the same to us.

you probably went to rehab because you take drugs to get happy and then block out your life. this is why they said it to you. the people who dont need to go to rehab generally dont need to be told this caus its not the case.

i have other firends who dont want to talk about anything meaningful on drugs, they just wana have fun. i dont like those people nearly as much.

taking drugs changes behavior but a) that doesnt mean its detrimental and b) soberness is one state of mind, just like being on drugs is. you could say being sober masks out things youd normally see when on drugs. which is indeed true.

anyway the thigns you talk about are mostly to do with people who take stimulants and opiates, not weed and psychedelics. but if someone treats weed like those drugs.. then yeh its gonna happen.

its not teh drugs, its why you use them

and if you use them to actually connect MORE with other people then its for the better. and its not fake connection either, when your stoned, its a deeper connection. you can call it silly all you want but just because you cant connect with people on drugs doesnt mean people with the right intentions and abilities can.

oh and btw, if i see something sad when im stoned, it makes me more sad than normal. weed is an emotion AMPLIFIER. the reason most people get happier though is because they dont think about the bad things as much. still, a large amount of people dont like smoking weed because it amplifies bad feeligns, and paranoia. its not a one dimensional drug like heroin or something.

 

Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. When used properly, weed can be one of the most valuable tools to getting in touch with yourself, other people, and the world around you. I truely believe that weed helps unlock part of your brain, and that's not just saying shit, that's experience. I get so in touch with everything when I'm stoned. There's different levels of being high, most people just use it for recreation, which is cool and I have nothing against that because I do that too. But then there's the "rasta" way where you think them deep thoughts. You can learn a lot from them.

The man's got you thinking their thoughts, brother. Get our while you can. They're the same ones that promote drug violence in our streets and putting harmless people in jail.

 

maybe we are few?

 

The reason I'm in it is because I was court ordered cause I got caught with a friends weed in my glovebox. But I don't believe you have any clue who these people are. It's the court systems that throw the people in jail. They are counselors and ex-druggies/alcoholics so its not like they are just mumbling blank and pointless comments. They have actually studied the negative effects of them after all they are pros at it. See most people that go to it for the first week have very negative effects but you start to realize they are there to help you. But it seems you keep stating that you can't properly use your emotions without drugs?? Oh I see, lets go blow $50 perfectly good money that you could use for far more productive things such as an education. And by the way all my friends are potheads and I have connected great with them while high/drunk throughout the years. If I could get 1 thing in your head it's this. If you look on the other side of things (sobriety) you see things in a clearer view. Now quit smoking for 1 year and try connecting as close with your friends and see how much they block you out. You will understand the concept much further. Guarantee you they would rather take another bong rip then concentrate on you. You should study communication skills further while under the influence. Sobriety is definately more beautiful then any drug you can ever take. I'm not saying after time im gonna stop smoking completely but i'm definately gonna watch my habbits much closer.

P.S Stonerbill I enjoy reading your posts a lot. You seem like a very intelligent person, but it seems like your brain is wired to dispute negative comments about Marijuana itself. I am making posts like this to help people further understand the negative effects so it can help the U.S with the legalization/decriminilization in the near future.

 

I think what you are saying has a lot of truth to it. I was thinking just the other day, what is better? Feeling happiness and joy, but also sadness, anger and fear, or being able to not feel anything at all?

I have been going through a lot of shit lately and I have been drinking and popping pills every night for almost 3 weeks now. Yes, my emotions are impaired. But I want them that way. I don't want to be sad or upset, and I really don't need to be really happy right now either. I am choosing to shut my emotions off.

Is this a bad thing? I don't know. We'll see in the near future. But right now, it works. It keeps me sane and my high emotions in check.

What do you think?

 

whenever i smoke i think way too much like when im tripping, and im usually not comfortable with other people like i might have been before smoking, unless they are people i really know well, but i think thats because when im high all of my emotions are felt much stronger, and when i see through people while on drugs, i become much more uneasy by the things that bother me about them. its when im sober that i can block out my emotions. but then again, my girlfriend and i are having a baby soon so we quit smoking a while ago.

 

congrats.

 

thanks you

 

damn, my post was like talking in the 3rd person. i never did that before.

 

i generally see both sides of the arguement, but argue for the sake.

i know theres less sober connection with this type of connection. well, thats if you stay sober. is that a price to pay? no worry if you just get stoned lol.

i conceded that this was the case for most people. not all. the things the rehab people talk about are things typical of chemical addictions. however many pot addictions mimic chemical addictions, especially determinably by the reason they take the drug for.

i wouldnt do your one year of weed test caus then i wouldnt be able to smoke for a year and i love it. its more stimulating than anything ever was, soberly.

there are some and few universal harms of marijuana. however most detrimental affects of marijuana are deermined by the context of the example.

 

"i wouldnt do your one year of weed test caus then i wouldnt be able to smoke for a year and i love it. its more stimulating than anything ever was, soberly."

what kind of stimulation are you talking about? the feeling you get from it or the thoughts it makes easier for you to think?

 

I think you have taken the first step to identifying your chemical dependance. For that I respect you because I understand it takes courage to come out like that. I do believe you should talk to someone about your emotions because they seem to be hurting you. Do you have any1 you can talk to about this? Find someone that you trust to talk about your drug habbits with so they can properly help you. Just thought id let you know I would be more then happy to talk to you about stuff but that is up to you. My Yahoo and stuff is up there so add me if ya feel like discussing things.

 

it may sound wierd, but I'm willing to talk about my problems out in the open. I have no shame in what I do and the decisions I've made. Maybe someone else could learn from me, you never know. I like to put myself out there for all to give an educated opinion.

Mostly I say this because I do have friends that I can talk to, but none who will not sugar coat everything.

 

on any drug my emotions dont get fucked up, they get enhanced....

 

"enhanced" -what politically correct statement.

It's like I don't have a drinking or drug problem, I'm just soberly challenged!

 

They're pros? Most of them have never seen weed in their life. They're there to feed your mind what they want you to think, and it's working. I feel bad for you man. You're worthless. Seriously.

And then you think by spreading their lies that weed will somehow become legal? You can't work for legalization and then promote your negativity about it, there's enough of that out there already. Stop the whinning about "sobriety is the best drug" and grow up.

Just because the "pro" at Best Buy tells you that the $1950 T.V. is better than the one for 1/2 off means it's true, right? You're so full of shit it's ridiculous.