I Didnt Know It Was Heroin

It does matter. I used to think I was a badass and shoot people down like you when their views differed from mine. I had a life-changing experience that pushed me back into college, and going through the process I have developed a level of maturity and open-mindedness I did not have before.

How did I know you didn't have a college degree? A college degree requires a level of discipline and humility that I did not get from you so far in our exchange. I have worked shitty jobs before with shitty people, so I have a pretty good idea of where people fall into.

I am not better than you at all. Actually, this exchange proves to me that the "life-changing" and "mind-expanding" aspects of psychedelics are largely subjective. You haven't learned a damn thing. You remind me of an irascible peon.

There is a civil way to have a discussion, 2ces. If you disagree with me on something there is an intelligent way to get your point across.

It's interesting that a heroin user came into this discussion saying he agreed with me.

Anyway, you were wrong about saying that heroin withdrawal causes death, and you don't seem to have it in you to admit you are wrong.

By the way, I don't advocate that people use heroin and certainly not multiple times a week. Those who get addicted and OD probably need to be weeded out of society anyway.

 

I said withdrawal can cause death. You can die from heroin withdrawals, that's a fact. But you're so quick to say that heroin isn't as bad as the .gov says, well I've seen it destroy people dude... Listen to how pathetically stupid it sounds on paper "well heroin withdrawals don't usually cause death, unless the user is in poor health and/or doing other drugs" While some addicts are in good health and aren't poly-drug abusers, I don't think the larger percentage of them are that way. I also never once said that it was instant death or said it was unavoidable death. You candy-coated something that is worlds away from you.

I'm done arguing with you- I hope you actually drop some good acid someday.

 

OK, I think we can move on from this discussion. No hard feelings. I hope to find some good stuff at Bonnaroo.

 

I Don't Think You Can Die From Heroin Withdrawls, But I Would Agree With Maggie, That Withdrawls From Heroin Makes You Feel Like You Want To Die. That' Straight Up Truth From Experience, And You Cannot Compare Experience To Anything You May Read In A Book.

 

LSDSeeker: I think it's awesome that we disagreed on something so hard.. but in the end electronically shook hands.. thanks.

 

2ces, you're normally pretty level-headed, but here all the evidence points to the fact that WDs from Opies just aren't fatal. The people with gorillas all concur that WD from methadone is the most difficult, because the WD sysmptoms last so long, and the only reasonable way to get off is the taper. Read all of the addiction and recovery posts on poppies.org for confirmation of this.

I've been using oxycodone for arthritis for almost 6 years and, while I'm probably physically dependant, that's quite a bit different from being addicted. I personally agree with LSDseeker; opioids should be decriminalized, regulated, and taxed. Most of the problems associated with street opies like H are due to the fact that: 1) they're much more expensive than they would be if there were legal channels of distribution, 2) the quality cannot be assured, so each use is a crap shoot, and 3) the previous 2 reasons result in people who lack the means to take care of their health.

If harm reduction were the focus on the "war on drugs" rather than the witchhunt it is now, we'd see much less crime, health problems, and stigmatization than currently exists.

 

what your problem exactly? u tried heroin so what ? whats so bad about that? I take it u wernt so worried if it was oxy which 2 all intents and purposes is the same deal. you dont hav 2 beliv all the negative shit about H anyhow - ur fucking with other drug possible of more harm - if you don't want to try heroin playing dumb kid games where u acept totally unknown drugs in unknown amounts off of presumably other stupid misinformed kids is stupid. You r at fault here acting irrisonsibly. u took H & nothing bad happened what is the point of this post ? just to show others how random & dumb your drugs use is ?

"I tasted alittle, tasted nasty like a pill so i thought it was oxy contin"
wow brill logic - if it tastes nasty its a "pill" even if it clearly isn't a "pill" - hav u been 2 school

stay away from drugs until u r old enough t2 know what ur doing mayb

 

i believe 1 can die from methodone WD but even so it is very very very rare - the fact u can die or get addicted don't make media propaganda true - u can potentially die from any drug - most problems r caused by prohibition - clean opiates at normal doses r near harmless even long term but they r very addictive

 

"well I've seen it destroy people dude"

cars, junk food & all sorts destroy people

 

I have to chime in my two cents about the addiction aspects and the claim that an opiate withdrawl can kill you.

All you people can bring up as many articles and ersearch as you want. I respect you guys for doing that. But my knowledge comes from my experience. I have tried heroin. A few times. It was incredibly powerful, and not my style or taste.I have no desire to try it again. But I can just see the pure pleasure on the faces of those who do like it. I also can see the fear in some, who know just how easy it would be to slip away all the time. Those people concentrate and may use occasionally, even regularly, but know when to stop and aren't afraid of the pain that comes with that, as long as they clean up for a little bit. Those who love opiates, those who wrap themselves up in it like a warm blanket, and let the drug become a focal point in life, are the people I feel very sorry for. Once you let go, it's a long hard climb back up. Those people are the ones who get addicted. They come from all walks of life and it has nothing to do with inner strength, or how good a person is. It can happen to anyone who uses it and forgets to use control.

Withdrawl from opiates may be the most intense sickness a human body can feel. That also ranges from person to person, but some people go through absolute hell before they can start to get clean. It is not fatal, although, as said before, it will make you wish it was.

So that's what I think. I'm no doctor or scientist, but from what I have seen I know that one time use isn't permanently addicting, but it can lead to a lifetime of pain and anguish for anyone who takes that risk.

 

I've been told by an addict who is in and out of H and crack and whatnot for years and they did say that methadone is a lot worse... as for the WD's not being fatal, I believe that by stats it does look like people don't usually die directly from the wd's- the original post that fired me up was:
"Anyway, heroin is not as bad as the government and schools make it out to be. Withdrawal symptoms, for the few who do get addicted, are nowhere near as bad as they are portrayed."

Heroin withdrawals were portrayed to me as very painful with the possibility of hallucinations and high fever... etc., everything that was ever portrayed to me was confirmed by addicts I have talked to. I said they can die- and I was shown that by the stats, it isn't usually a direct cause of death... My main beef is that heroin itself can be bad, and while some people can try it once, others get addicted the first time. The life associated with a lot of addicts isn't a generally healthy one. Years of abuse, withdrawing over and over, not eating right or taking care of yourself, it's gonna take its toll. Before I get flamed for preaching I KNOW not everybody gets addicted, but the addiction along with the physical dependence is bad.

I think the government lies a lot more about marijuana and psychedelics than any other drug or group of drugs.

While I definately agree that the war on drugs is focusing in the wrong direction, I don't know if legalizing all opioids is too wise a decision at this point- Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the Swiss try it? I think that one day when society is a lot different than it is now, that it might be possible... but I just can't see it in the country I live in today. Sorry about the italics. They won't go away. :-(

 

I am finding conflicting info on the swiss legalization of heroin, and how the experiment worked out.. can anybody from switzerland offer an up to date status?

 

That is a possibility.

 

That's a good question about what the Swiss have done. I know there is an experiment in Vancouver BC supplying H to a select number of addicts, but that's all I have knowledge about. I know that Portugal has effectively decriminalized all drugs, but the jury's out on that experiment AFAIK.

And I completely agree with you about the lies perpetuated by the government vis-a-vis MJ and psychedelics (which word I prefer over entheogens.) Pope Innocent VIII banned MJ around 1480 as being a witch herb used in Satanic Rites. Of course, the fact that Islam condoned the use of it had nothing to do with that OBVIOUSLY POLITICAL decision. Fuckers.

I wish d-LSD-25 were as plentiful now as it was in 1969 through 1972. Maybe we'd see some real resistance to the immoral, illegal Iraq invasion rather than seeing today's youth sitting around playing with themselves. And, yeah, that IS a criticism. I burned my draft card.

 

I definately think society would react a lot differently to bush than it does now... the whole acid not being plentiful is to blame on lots of things though. For one, all the crappy acid that went around and made people think acid sucked or doesn't work or whatever. I'll bet the government is f'ing happy that they destroyed the name of LSD... think of how screwed they'd be if there was another acid wave, but bigger. ...At least some of us know.

 

im wondering if this kids friend just lied to him to make him get all scared because he used H. anyone thinking this?

 

the only way to know what he did would be to try it.
but DSK is right, i threw up for like 3hours the first time i sniffed dope

 

exactly. he would have been puking for hours. the first time i did it, i turned to the nearest trashcan and was just chilling with my head in there for nearly an hour. it wasnt the most pleasant experience. either his friend lied to him, or hes lying to us.

 

Yea most people do puke... but I'd say it depends on the dosage and person too.... very likely it wasn't heroin the person did though, a white powder.. come on, could have been ANYTHING.

 

yea i was puking my guts out the first time.. but it was still one of the best expeirences of my life. next 2 maybe smack and rock. the kid definetly didnt do H