Topic: Anti-Christians.

I'm going to be buried upright in one of those cardboard cylinders that are used to form concrete pillars, with a tree planted directly above me. That way I give back to mother earth what she's given bodily to me ~ plus some gratitude.

But as far as the notion that there is no "here-after" ~ forget it! I've been there kiddo. I had a death experience age 6. And you'd better believe there's much more to life than this shit-box body we're wearing right now!

 

I've heard about those near-death experiences. And I'm not completely expelling the fact that there is no afterlife, but I think that if there is, it's probably a where our lifeforce goes to after we die. All of the energies put out by our body, can't just stop. Maybe the afterlife, is our energies becoming more than our body. And maybe that's what is really happening during a near-death experience. But the exception is, you guys can come back to tell about it. But those who die naturally, don't come back. So there probably is an 'after-life' in some form relating to our body energies and life force. But I don't it's anything holy, sacred, or religious.

 

hahaha nice

i agree. i plan on being at peace with letting nature take my matter-energy when my time comes. i want to be burried under a tree, or something, too.

actually, there's this chemical that is in the pineal gland of our brains called DMT and there's growing evedance, if not considered undeniable already, that it's responsable for near death experiences. you can achieve "NDEs" by injesting it. here's a little from a book called DMT: The Spirit Molecule

"From 1990 to 1995 Dr. Rick Strassman conducted U.S. Government-approved and funded clinical research at the University of New Mexico in which he injected sixty volunteers with DMT, one of the most powerful psychedelics known. His detailed account of those sessions is an extraordinarily riveting inquiry into the nature of the human mind and the therapeutic potential of psychedelics. DMT, a plant-derived chemical found in the psychedelic Amazon brew, ayahuasca, is also manufactured by the human brain. In Strassman's volunteers, it consistently produced near-death and mystical experiences. Many reported convincing encounters with intelligent nonhuman presences, aliens, angels, and spirits. Nearly all felt that the sessions were among the most profound experiences of their lives. Strassman's research connects DMT with the pineal gland, considered by Hindus to be the site of the seventh chakra and by Rene Descartes to be the seat of the soul."

 

I don't feel that Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) induces so much a "near death experience", but rather allows one to transcend the physical which leaves one in the "next dimension" or thereabouts.
Terence McKenna has excellent DMT info, but maintains that psilocybin is better.

 

like uh, i dunno... i've never had a near-death experience, myself. all i "know" is that it's a chemical that is released in unusually larg amounts during the death of the brain. yea i agree(i think), it's not that it makes you close to death for real, it just produces the same effects, because it's the same chemical or so i'm told.

Terence McKenna's tha shit yo

 

Maybe the DMT released by the dying brain is a bit of an exaggeration. From my take, DMT is found in high levels in the minds of creative and artistic thinkers.

http://www.lightparty.com/Health/SpiritMolecule.html

DMT The Spirit Molecule tells the story of DMT and the many questions that this naturally-occurring compound raises about consciousness and spiritually-potent experiences like birth, death, and near-death...................
Dr. Strassman began his research with the hypothesis that endogenous DMT is the biochemical'vehicle'that allows us to experience mystical/spiritual consciousness during birth, death, near-death, and deep meditation. He theorizes that "when DMT levels get too high for'normal'function ... we start undergoing unusual experiences." In some people, DMT may be an underlying factor in psychosis. Dr. Strassman felt his hypothesis would be strengthened if he could show that DMT injections caused the same kinds of mystical and near-death experiences that he attributed to endogenous DMT.

 

DMT The Spirit Molecule tells the story of DMT and the many questions that this naturally-occurring compound raises about consciousness and spiritually-potent experiences like birth, death, and near-death.

i don't think it's an exaggeration, i'm either right or wrong but that's what i gather; at death, more dmt is released from the pineal gland than usually is and basically makes you "trip out". i'm not saying that it doesn't actually correlate with something metaphysical or whatnot, i'm just saying that it comes from a chemical in our brains. i was responding to people who aren't aware of that and think that 'near death experiences must be proof of an afterlife (because there's no other way one could experience that w/out chemicals)'.

i totally think it's possible that more creative people release or produce more dmt, too. i'm not basing that on anything i've read but it makes sense, i guess. i accept my assumption that happier, more confident people produce or "handle" their serotonin differently, too.

 

Indeed Synaptic Ether ~ it could be that higher quantities of DMT are released during life-threatening crises. This may well explain those "super-natural" abilities that appear during such times when heroes are made or the solution arises to the seemingly impossible dilemma.

 

most christians annoy me.

 

I am not anti-Christian. I am just not Christian and do not wish to be "saved" I just want to be thought of a good enough for these so called Christains who are suposed to love and except people for who they are and not judge them becasue that is the job of there God. I am anti fakes

 

i don't understand why my point is being missed so much...

no man, i disagree... dmt doesn't give you "super-natural" abilities, it makes you "trip balls". and, for this topic, it's not a life threatening crises that does it, it's the brain dieing (whether it actually dies or not).

that's what they're saying, anyway.

 

The one thing out of many) that sticks out for me is that it is a religion basedon fear. "Do it our way or pa the consequences" That's what it's about right? If you don't conform exactly to this visage then you'll go to hell. I've got enough to worry about here without worrying about something that may or may not be.

 

Exactly! That's how I am. I don't feel fulfillment in mass anymore, and I think that the Catholic Religion has been holding back our humanistic urges for way too long. Take someone who has come out gay/lesbian, and his/her family and church and friends have all pretty much disowned him/her, just because of his/her sexuality.

That is not right, and the so-called 'Christians' say that they don't shun them for being gay. And even that is a flat-out lie!!!!! You hear all of the Christian conservative Reverends or Politicians or whatever talking about, 'Gays don't deserve rights, because they are devil spawn or all will get AIDS or will end the Human Race." They're all a bunch of fucking scared liars, who can't accept differences. They think that everybody has to be W.A.S.P. and Heterosexual, or no deal.

Gay Marriage should be allowed, because the whole concept of marriage was started by religion, and all that marriage is just a stupid little ceremony and document saying that you can now have sex but with only this woman or man. Well, I say screw marriage. I say let's just not get married and just live together and have sex, without the cheesy ceremony and drunken DJ reception. Let's all live a life free of the bounds put down by religion, because their religious freedom is too restrictive to be called freedom.

Getting off of the human side of religious stupidity. This once again justifies my reasons for not believing in a God. Everything we do is apart of nature and even death. Now we know what causes the euphoria of Near Death Experiences (which is really just death with revival).

But still people hold on to their religion like there's something fulfilling about it. Well, guess what? You can still be a good person and have no religious beliefs. It doesn't matter. We're all going to end up in the same place, somewhere in the ground. That's it. Heaven is in your Mind! Everybody needs to wake up and smell the coffee. If we could all just come to terms with our real destiny after death, we would be so much better off without religion.

 

See What I mean? No Response

 

yea man...

/em rubs head

maybe 2012 will bring an end to all religious mental oppression and the morning star will release and enlighten those who have been able to get past it. ......

...erm

really.

 

It appears, SE, that no thread in this forum stays on topic: it's more about the poster than the thread. Everyone wants to beat their chest and proclaim "I Am, therefore I think." That's youth for you.

In my case it goes, "I thought, therefore I was."

But as for the brain, I've long considered it to be an organ for sorting and passing on input: two directions, (1) from the physical to the spiritual, and (2) from the spiritual to the physical. I consider the mind to be more than the brain: mind/communication is spiritual, as in "The word that I speak, that is spirit and that is truth". (Loose translation).

 

Fuzzybrain, you must be thinking of the Christian soldier. I am a Christian marine - front lines. When the people of the saints join forces with the heavenly hosts, a face such as mine will be the last you see.

The fool hath said in his heart that there is no God.

The church is stronger than you think.

Those of you speaking against Christianity, you are the weak ones, for you speak from a weakness that will not allow you to deal face to face with other people, that seeks to avoid the spiritual dialog with your brothers and sisters. You wimps are running from shadows.

 

Haven't read many other posts by this person so maybe this is sarcasm?
Surely a jest.
There are methods of helping such an ailment.

Spiritual dialog is not hard when it is open minded and not constricted to one specific set of beliefs. That's why its near impossible to carry on an open spiritual exploration with many a 'Christian'. Not because they lack a spiritual center but because the only way to discuss with most christians is only to completely agree with their interpretation of the universe and the soul. The arrogant assumption that they are right and everyone else is completely wrong. In the end the discussion usually degrades into something much like above. The person who doesn't agree is accused of having no spirit, of being a 'sinner', and told they will see when the day the comes.

So, really, in respects to running from the shadows and dodging true spiritual dialogue, it's the Christians who are running, not the other way around.

 

Somewhat of a jest; somewhat not. While I play at argumentation with the unwilling and unreceptive, we all know that time itself will prove us 'yea' or 'nay'.

 

Christianity pronounces that through Jesus one will be saved. Christianity is based on the words of the Scriptures. Our greatest living historian Robin Lane Fox examined the scriptures and systematically shredded the lies that began as early as Genesis and concluded only in Revelation. However as he quite rightly said 'Any moral or spiritaul teachings you get from them should be intact'. Just don't think for one moment that most of it is based on anything that historically happened. It didn't.

The 'Messiah' (For one example only) was to be born of the line of David and the Scriptures give us a lengthy Geneaology showing all the father's from the line of David all the way to Christ. One problem though - they list Joseph as his father to keep the 'Bloodline' intact. Now who was Jesus's daddy again?

Ben