Food as profit, no longer nutrition

america consumes 30% of the worlds resources and makes up 5% of its population, that does not translate to equality or the "Same thing" everywhere, we are gluttonists, hellbent on consuming. its all were told to do and asked of really, consume,look at all the commercials and billboards and magazines and media... if your buying shit, your a good patriot and citizen. what did they tell you to do after 9/11? keep shopping, keep minding your usual empty business. they didnt tell you that the terrorists main source of income is OIL, and we could easily have made some sacrafices to cut back our oil intake, sacrafices are good for you too sometimes.dare i say taking a walk or riding a bike and getting some excercise, or carpooling or taking public transportation,united my ass.

or not making so many fucking christmas displays, burning a lamp for a year takes 85 barrels of oil about, and when you make all those christmas lights and leave lights on like you normally do probably, your just asking people to come drive around your neighborhood and burn MORE oil.

and there are a ton of reasons to go vegan, from the environment to your health to animal welfare. tell me why we as humans ARENT meant to be vegan.

and yes i think people should grow more of there own shit, weve got the land, look at all those empty fucking lawns. way better for you too when its not waxed to stay 'fresh' and packed with pesticides too, plus theres a certain fulfillment in growing your own food. i could go out in my backyard and pick fresh dandelion leaves or chickweeds that are more nutritious and healthy than most of the food at a grocery store.were too busy rotting away in front of a TV eating mush to learn anything though. sorry i took sordove an angry tone, injsutices like this really bother me sometimes though.

 

Consumption equals fulfilment.

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Is not most elelctricity in USA from coal fired power stations?

I sometimes wonder if our creator was a bit of a sick individual.What intrigues me is why is oily fish so good for humans and why is animal fat good for humans.Veganism is dangerous. Heard of Celab Moorhouse?

I have eaten dandelion leaves.Don't like em though.

 

ya dandylion leave are preety bitter! i like lambs quarters though better than spinach . havent even turnd the garden over yet expecting snow tonight! oh well. i my self dont eat much junk. my favorite pizza is mush pep and oinion with the crust i make my self with some hole wheat flour and curly dock seeds thrown in yummmmm!!

 

for info on aspertame try www.advancedhealthplan.com then click on aspertame. apparently pretty nasty stuff !!

 

ya they are pretty bitter if you harvest them when fully developed, their supposed to be tastier if you get them early before the flower buds though... if you mix mature ones with something like salad or potatoes though the taste is usually neutralized but the nutrients and enzymes are still utilized. chickweed is very good though and nutritious too. fast spreading weed with little white flowers, looks like they have 5 petals but their really so close in pairs theres 10.
animal fat is good for us?!???? explain that..
and fish oil is good for us,i do know what you mean by that, but those can be found in flax seeds as well in an even more balanced form than from fish...
and no ive never heard of that dude, and i disagree strongly veganism is dangerous, lack of knowledge is the only thing that is dangerous...

and coal is pretty bad for the environment too. i am not sure on the US itself's oil/coal percentages but the worlds is 36% oil, 26 coal, 23 gas, 9 nuclear, and 6 is biomass. i am fairly positive the US is a pretty big consumer of oil though.

you have to think though, most of the food we eat is junk, our definitions of junk food tend to be very narrow when in fact a good % of stuff at grocery stores is just that, junk..

 

Don't be silly -- animals can't VOTE!

(I think you mean "suffering." "Suffrage" is voting.)

I kind of agree, that it's a twisted bastardization that we have to pay just to eat stuff, when we can't live without eating, and people are making sick profits off the food they sell us.

I don't see at all how becoming VEGAN has anything to do with it, or would be a solution.

-Jeffrey

 

the link veganism has to that is it takes a HUGE abundance of food and water to produce just one pound of meat. i think the stat is like 25 pounds of grain(which is cereal and bread etc..) to one pound of meat, and 100 gallons of water to like 10 gallons to produce a pound of grain. another stat is we feed livestock more than at least 70%(i forget the actual number, im pretty sure its bigger than this) of the food we grow to cattle, which is just ridiculous.

people dont see meat as the luxury it is, when we could have a LOT more food if we just fed what we fed to cattle to ourselves, and we could EASILY end world hunger. but people are just being their usual greedy and closed minded selves.
and knowing that meat provides no real nutritional advantage and how amazingly easy it is to give the crap up and all the negative aspects of the meat industries, i understand why some vegans and vegetarians get agitated with the whole thing...

 

And then you have people like me who will be working as a veterinarian while my husband (when we get married) will ben an engineer. And I have already decided that my food will be either coming from my own home or from nearby farmers. Healther first of all (no preservatives) but also cheaper. You don't need to seel your food to make a profit and you can still be healthy without turning vegan if you eat food properly

 

Well it drives me bonkers to see all these people drive right past an open farmers market with really fresh veggies to go get some at walls mart. Then again I think the larger percentage of the American public doesn't even know what the hell they want. Well maybe they'll all poison themselves off over time. A boy can dream.

 

Caleb Moorhead ( not Moorhouse!)
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/lawrpt/stories/s595147.htm

The myth of animal fats being bad for you as far as I can make out is a bit of dubious research done in the late 1950's or early 1960's showing the bad health effects of consuming hydronated coconut oil.I am a little sketchy on the exact details of the research.I think it was paid for by big margarine and veg oil corporations.As coconut oil is 93% saturated fat it was concluded that saturated fat is therefore bad for you, vegetable oils and margarine are healthy alternatives. All that such a study really showed was that hydronated oils are bad for you.Hands up anyone who didn't know that.
The fact of the matter is Vitamin A is only found in animal fats.It is not found in carrots.What is found in carrots is beta carotene.In a fairly inefficient process ,the human liver is able to convert beta carotene into Vitamin A but only with the presence of fat.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/vegemyths1.html
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/vegemyths2.html

If you still think that saturated fat causes cardiac arrrests consider the following.(1) There should be people dropping dead left, right and centre in the Phillipines and all over Pacific islands.The fact of the matter is that cardiac arrests are something that has essentially happened in the developed world in the 20th century.Cardial arrests have started to happen in India as the big veg oil and marg companies have made their way in.
(2) Can you think of a pre 20th century novel or play where someone has a cardiac arrest?It would make for good drama.In Dickens novels , death is almost routine but I cannot think of a character having a cardiac arrest.
(3)I emailed the National Heart Foundation (of Australia) asking for scientific research to support the idea that saturated fat and cholesterol is responsable for heart disease.Surprise! Surprise!They could not cite one single piece scientific research to suggest that saturated fat or cholesterol is in any way responsible for heart disease. In other words they are simply propagating urban myths.What they did suggest was I do an online scan of lipids in the Australian Medical Journal and the British Medical Journal.I did this as well as looking at many other terms such as myocardial infarction and lipoprotiens.I also scanned the Lancet website and the Journal of American Clinical Nuitrition.
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/oilingamerica.1.html
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/oilingamerica.2.html
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/margarine.html
Not a sausage.All the reading that I turned up suggested eating more fish oils.
Something I already knew.
According to the book Cholesterol Control by Dr Ian Hamilton Craig , Heinemann Australia, linolenicacid that occurs in walnut oil, linseed oil and flax seeds is of a shorter chain length.They have to be converted by the human body to longer chain lengths to be of any use.This is an inefficient and slow process.While it would be better than not getting any at all, it is better to eat ready made long chain omega 3's in the form of fish and other marine foods.
As for the old chestnut about it taking 100,000 litres of water to produce 1kg of beef, this just the sort of thing I intend to show on my propaganda web site that I am writing.The figure is based on rasing beef cattle purely on irrigation land or grains grown on irrigation land.What is overlooked is that much beef is grown on dry land. To suggest that 100,000 litres of water would have been available for other uses for evey 1kg of beef produced is highly misleading.

 

What I find interesting is how quantity is overlooked. These certain ingrediants being labeled as lethal to our health aren't really lethal in the dosage used in the products. The problem usually stems from people sitting down and eating an entire bag of chips or cookies in one sitting and then doing it again and again day after day. Anything is bad when you overeat. A proper serving of chips or cookies is basically what fits in your hand, but NOOOOO... we gotta eat the whole bag and get sick and blame the company that made the product. Cokes were never meant to be a persons only source of liquid, but for many people it's all they drink. Snack cakes, candybars, pies.. you name it and people overeat it.

Let's look at more obvious situation for comparison. How many drugs are used to save lives? We love and embrace these drugs don't we? Well, how often do people abuse these drugs and make them lethal due to overdose?

Well, this is what happens when people eat an entire bag of chips and then suck down a litre of coke in one sitting. It's overdosing on something that is perfectly fine when ate at proper servings.

Bash on!

 

I never said that I didn't mind the chemicals used in the food market... all I said is that I'd rather live and have any children I have grow up without the possiblity of possibly ODing on those chemical/drugs you mentioned.

 

just because its NOT linked to disease doesnt mean its good for you, lol, even though i have seen meat eating being linked to causing certain diseases and cancers a LOT of times on the web, here is one of them if you are truely interested.
http://www.goveg.com/feat/NaturalHumanDiet/
and heres a quote "The link between animal products and heart disease is now very well documented. It's no surprise that half of all Americans develop heart disease, because the typical U.S diet puts almost everyone at risk" - Dean Mornish, M.D
i do know that eating all the meat that most of us do and saturated fats and cholesterols, that our arteries get clogged and hearts dont perform nearly as well as it could. it also sends our body into overload and panic trying to neutralize all of the acids we put in with the alkalines, which you can say for all cooked foods really. i imagine meat is highly acidic and especially bad for this process though since it dampens the hearts ability to function to its true potential.


and i guess the water thing could be misleading, and i bet it does vary from factory to factory. its not to say that probably all factory farms dont have some kind of negative effect on the environment, and they probably add up making or situation here on earth much more extreme than it needs to be. people eat animals like there ours to use and abuse as we please, because they 'taste good', not for their health. im willing to bet that most meateaters dont eat meat for health and if they say they do they are probably highly disullisioned to what the word health really means,

 

Nice piece of propaganda.It is so silly that it would be impossable to satirize. Actually it is just what I am looking for. I am in the process of building web site on propaganda.I fell about laughing at the preposterous claims.I might print off the web pages and show others for a laugh.

Are you in a time warp? Such idea have been discarded even by many veg*ns on this forum as well as many other veg*ns that I know.
Have you seen this thread?
http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8114&page=1&pp=10
In the days of Queen Victoria, it was claimed even by people in the medical profession that masterbation was bad for your health.Have you looked up what Wikpedia has to say about cholesterol? Namely that most of it in the human body is produced by the human liver.Even if it is completly cut out of the diet, the liver simply starts to make more.If you are that worried about saturated fat, you better not eat any olive oil as it is still 15% saturated.Palm oil is 86% saturated and coconut oil -that is claimed to be quite healthy even among some vegans- is 93% saturated.I can give you some other figures.

If you want to convince me of the virtues of a vegan diet , you better come up with some real science , not science fiction, not propaganda, not wishful thinking.

 

"Typical U.S. Diet" Key words!

Let's see what the typical U.S. diet is shall we....

1. No breakfast at all or fast food sausage and egg biscuit.

2. Lunch at fast food burger, taco or pizza joint

3. Dinner between 8pm and 11pm

4. Most liquids come from cokes

5. Most snacks involve an entire bag of something

6. Couch lounging and tv surfing are the number one exercise

This alone is enough to cause all kinds of problems. Now start thinking of everything else the typical U.S. citizen does and maybe you'll start to see where the real problem is.

 

Whatever happened to the 'caffeine is bad' craze? Back in the 80s caffeine was said to be bad by everyone and businesses were bragging about their new caffeine-free products. 7-up's slogan was 'Never Had It. Never Will'.

Now they are deliberately putting extra caffeine in things like soft drinks. What's up with all of that?

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I guess there is a difference between junk food omni and whole food omni.What ever is healthy about a vegan diet can be included in an omni diet.

 

Yea some beef cattle are raised on pasture and fed some supplements as required.This land is often not arable so it is being put to good use.All the rain that falls on such land is not available for other uses and a failure to mention so is is IMO highly misleading.

 

In my humble opinion junk food is on the market for profit, nada mas. These big corporations make tons of money selling us frankenstein food. Real food does not come in fancy bags. It's all in the marketing to get us to buy. In a world without money and profit junk food would not exist. I boycott these corporations whenever possible. I stopped eating animals 30 years ago. Only Utopia, a money free world could save the situation. Otherwise, we're doomed.

 

I don't think that's true. Only a world where consumers stick together could save this situation. That won't happen because you can even look around on this forum and see all the "ME ME ME ME" selfish people who won't sacrifice for the greater good. And this is supposed to be a forum full of people seeking global peace and harmony.