Jane Fonda on her Vietnam visit

True, but the Vietnam war itself was a mistake and many people died. We were there for eight years despite the protests, and she resorted to drastic action which I didn't agree with, but what's done is done. If you wish to bear a grudge until the day she dies and then piss on her grave that's your right, but I say get over it.

 

Whether she was right or wrong, it made me cringe to see her apologizing.

I tried to view it as comedy but it didn't work. I felt embarrassed for her.

 

It's a litle harder to "get over it' when you have lost some one in it. But I dig your intent.

 

If she didn't keep capitalizing off of this issue, people could agree that what's done is done. But now she's doing it again to promote her book. The last time it was to promote her excercise videos. The time before that, the apology was to quell protests during the shooting of one of her movies. Her first apology came 16 years after the incident.

 

We're strange.

An alien-race, we invade and colonize another people's homeland.

This initiates a struggle for freedom against us that lasts almost 100 devastating years.

We're finally defeated.

Who do we, the defeated alien-race, now blame our defeat on?

Strangely enough,,,,JANE!!

 

Tonight Larry King is interviewing her and I understand she's speaking out against the war in Iraq. If she opposes the war that's okay with me, and by all means let her say so, but I hope she doesn't see herself as a spokesperson for the anti-war movement as she's not qualified. She's a follower, not a leader, and if not for Tom Hayden's influence I'm not sure she ever would have come out against the Vietnam war or taken up any cause at all for that matter. Please, Jane, show the movement your support but leave the organizing to the people who dedicate their lives to it.

 

Vet spits tobacco in Jane's face at book signing.I am not a jane fonda fan but it's been 30 years why can't we move on.

 

The book signing was in OPKS. My ex worked with the guy who did it. He said this guy always said that if he ever saw Jane Fonda he would spit in her face. Well he did and spitting on someone is the same as punching with the same charge. I wonder if he thinks it was worth it.
I feel sorry for him that he has let this hate and anger rule his life for so long.
If you dislike the woman, it only hurts yourself to keep up the anger. Let it pass.

 

He was quoted as saying that he will never forgive Jane Fonda and for him the Vietnam war will never be over. Perhaps this is why some vets can't get over it, they saw too many horrific things in Vietnam, then returned to a nation that turned its back on them that they can't let it go. Some can't even forgive those of us who peacefully protested the war, blaming us for losing it, but Fonda's actions drew special antagonism. Some wounds never heal.

 

That's sad. The 1st step in living in a higher consciousness is letting go of the past. With all that anger it's hard to find your chi. The vet's have every reason to feel that way. Most of us will never know in our lifetimes what some endured in the course of a year or two. But there are spiritual awakenings that can help.

 

I would not agree with spitting in anyones face including Jane Fonda. We can protest all we want to, but to take such an action to me is unthinkable. When
I returned to the world some 40 years ago they spit on me too, it was not to say the least, nice.

Jane Fonda in her later years, during the 80's did in a small way, gain a
measure of respect from me by being a champion to the plight of the Native
Americans and their fight for freedom and equal rights from the decendents European invaders that came to the shores of this land in 1607.

A fight that still rages on even today.

 

Hi all,
an e from one of my Vet friends;

Subject: Traitor Jane Fonda

She really was a traitor.

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED
KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA

This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do
not remember, and didn't have to bear the
burden that our fathers, mothers and older
brothers and sisters had to bear.

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the
"100 Women of the Century."

Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
countless others have never known how Ms.
Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country,
but specific men who served and sacrificed
during Vietnam.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.
The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.

In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF
Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison
the "Hanoi Hilton."

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was
ordered to describe for a visiting American
"Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane
treatment" he'd received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was
dragged away. During the subsequent beating,
he fell forward on to the camp Commandant's
feet, which sent that officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from
double vision (which permanently ended his
flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied
application of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the
47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the
"Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his
family only knew he was "missing in action".
His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and
clothed routine in preparation for a "peace
delegation" visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to
get word to the world that they were alive
and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny
piece of paper, with his Social Security Number
on it, in the palm of his hand.

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
man's hand and asking little encouraging
snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed
babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane
treatment from your benevolent captors?"
Believing this HAD to be an act, they each
palmed her their sliver of paper.
She took them all without missing a beat. At the
end of the line and once the camera stopped
rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
she turned to the officer in charge and handed
him all the little pieces of paper.

Three men died from the subsequent beatings.
Colonel Carrigan was almost number four
but he survived, which is the only reason we
know of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor
in Vietnam, and was captured by the North
Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in
1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one
year in a cage in Cambodia; and one year
in a "black box" in Hanoi.
My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a
nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South
Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the
Cambodian border.
At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.
(My normal weight is 170 lbs.)


We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by
the camp communist political officer if I would
be willing to meet with her.
I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real
treatment we POWs received... and how
different it was from the treatment purported by
the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as
"humane and lenient."

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky
floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched
with a large steel weights placed on my hands,
and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda
soon after I was released. I asked her
if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
She never did answer me.

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify
someone who should be honored as part
of "100 Years of Great Women."
Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women"
should never include a traitor whose hands are
covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There are few things I have strong visceral
reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in
blatant treason, is one of them.
Please take the time to forward to as many
people as you possibly can.
It will eventually end up on her computer and
she needs to know that we will never forget.
RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF
716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of
Maintenance
DSN: 875-6431
COMM: 883-6343

PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO
EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF
ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER
STATUS WILL CHANGE





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Tundrahopper4,

I appreciate that you have asked difficult questions from both sides of the argument.

However, that email has been de-bunked for a long time now.

No one was beaten to death, because Jane Fonda never handed those slips of paper to the Vietnamese.

No one was beaten for spitting at Jane, because no one spat at Jane.

What is true is the following:

It is true that a man, who Jane never saw, was beaten when he told the guards that he was going to inform Jane of their cruelty.

Jane however, had no knowledge of this at all.

Jane is responsable for only one real mistake, and that is publically stating that American POWs were NOT treated cruely. They were.

If it was our homes bombed by an alien race, I'm sure you and I would have NO mercy on any captives as well.

But that does not absolve Jane of that blatent falsehood.
Even though she didn't witness any cruelty herself, any one with any urban street-smarts would have been wise to the truth of the situation.

Still, it's amazing how desperately White Conservative America attempts to sanitize their sick history while attacking anyone who has ever stood up to them.

 

Fuck Hanoi Jane. Never Forget.