Christians always seem horrified at the idea, as in Hinduism or pantheism, of a union of God an man (and everything else), that God is one with his creation. They insist on God being forever distinct, here is the Creator, and there is the creation, and the two are fundamentally different, as the potter is not the pot. I adamantly disagree, and here is why. Christians would agree, that "in the beginning" there was nothing...except for God. Who knows how long he sat there alone (as if there was a "there" to sit, or that there was time to pass), but eventually something stirred him to create. Then God said "Let there be light!" ...but where did the light come from, if God was the only thing that existed? I can go out and pick up some clay and make a pot, but what had God to make the universe out of? Clearly the light came from God himself. Then he goes on to create night and day, heaven and earth. But as he had no materials to work with save himself, and so, clearly, these things are fundamentally God-stuff, made of God. Thus it stands to reason, that all things in existance, from quarks to protons to atoms to molecules to cells to man to planets to stars to galaxies to the very universe itself, must be made of God. Science is seeming to agree, as physicists cannot find a "basic" level of material existance, as it all seems to blur together at and beyond the quantum level. This also stands to reason, as God, in the end, is ONE. I am not saying I (or you) am pesonally God, in his entirety; that would be psychotic megalomania. But I am a part of God, made of him (and thus connected fundamentally to him). So are the rocks outside though, so one should not get a big head about it. But I don't see how it could be any different.
thats a good point.Any way though we may be made of god we are still us we he is still him.I gess its like every thing comes back to him.
This is a recycled piece I wrote about 2 months ago. There is a mythical story of Lila. One day God was bored so he decided to put on a play (Lila is the Sanskrit word for play, or drama). He wrote a script, one that allowed for as much improvisation as possible. Being God, he could do anything he wanted, so he decided he would play all of the roles of all of the actors, he would play all of the roles of all the audience members, he would stand in and actually be each of the props, he would write and perform all of the music, he would work the lights, the sound, the costumes, the ushers, he would perform as everything and everyone involved in the play. He would BE the play. He was so good at all of the things he was doing that he got caught up in the story unfolding on the stage. He forgot he was God, he forgot he was performing a play, he forgot he was pretending to be all of the different people, things and ideas involved in the play. Each of the different people he was pretending to be actually began to believe they were different people. They all left the theater and eventually forgot they were still taking part in a mostly improvised play. According to the story, this play has continued to this day and will continue until all of the people, things and ideas that God is "performing" actually remember who they really are.
no, the story of lila has been around for a long time; maybe he means he put new words to it? anyhow, christianity is obviously based on a monarchial system - it's very old-fashioned that way; funny how we look down at power in the monarchy nowadays but continue to worship a "king" in the sky? there can't be any unity between a peasant and his king; only power and obedience. actually, to quote alan watts (man, i can't find any of his books anywhere here... i finally put some orders in at one of the bookshops.. ), peace, sophia
I mean it sounded word for word... But if you come down to it, to the logical end of this line of thought, we are made of God, thus we ARE God. I can go out and make a pot out of clay, but I am not the clay, and the clay is not me; and it was there long before I came around. But God created the universe with no materials but himself. So his creation IS himself.
I apologize for the error. It is true, the Lila story has been around forever. Years ago I saw the story in a book by Alan Watts, but since then I forgot where I read it. Two months ago I shared it in another post with anyone who would read it. I was referring to that post when I said I wrote this. But there was an interesting response to this thread, to quote Alan Watts - "Now, what are these words? This is the language of court flattery, and the title "King of Kings," as a title of God, was borrowed from the Persian emperors. "Lord have mercy upon us," is an image drawn from things earthly and applied to things heavenly. God is the monarch, and therefore between the monarch and the subject there is a certain essential difference of kind, what we might call an ontological difference. God is God, and all those creatures, whether angels or men or other kinds of existence that God has created, are not God." I was always tought all of this (reality, the universe, creation, life, love, wisdom, etc.) is an expression of God, the omnipresent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being who is the real, primal consciousness of the universe. God (Allah, Brahman, Jahovah, Abba, you choose your favorite name for God) is intimately connected to all things, closer to you than your next heartbeat. To suggest that God is limited is to suggest that there may be a higher power than God, that there may be a power to which even God must submit, that there may be an even more supreme being. But isn't this suggstion only a statement that there may be limitations to one's knowledge of what or who God is. It suggests that one's knowledge of God is still, even now, a work in progress. One can always know God better. A human life is well-lived when it is spent learning to know God better. You can see where this is going. By the way, I am as surprised as anyone by these ideas. I offer my humble gratitude for your kindness as you share your insights regarding all of this. Peace and Love
i usd to think this way, and still do on some levels...for existance... Hypothetically, lets say souls are Energy, also Hypothetically lets agree that the Laws of Thermodynamics apply to Energy... Because God is the creator, and God must have energy, where does God get energy to make souls with...obviously, logically, there must some Energy from God put into put souls
Right, and the way to know god is by knowing yourself. Because really, everything external to you is a reflection of your experience (filtered through your perception and understanding). The only objective space is, ironically, your subjective experience. And this is all goes hand in hand with the fact that god and the universe (and all within it) are one; or at the very least, that the universe is part of god, made of god...perhaps the universe is not ALL of god, but all the universe is god. Thus, once we stop this ego hallucination and really get to know who we are, we learn that we are god. What else could we be? I'm surprised and a bit dissapointed that this thread is not getting responses, I thought this would be an interesting topic.
Indeed is the universe here made out of God (the Devil), as a source (natural and supernatural), in basic, in specific, and in general. Beyond and over the universe here is different sources seperate. In other words, God (the Devil) is put gathered and/or gathering of it/his/her own now won cause of angles. The ones that truely dont belong fixed to this source here are here as donations of markers and guides of unfolding significant events leading up unto the fulfillment to Sun Dark unto Earth Dark. Here will be overall torment supernatural, natural, and occult.
According to classical Christianity, God is omnipresent is he not? Seems to me that some Christians try and monopolize God by separating him from creation and proclaiming that you must be initiated through their ritual acts in order to receive the 'holy spirit'. MANY biblical scholars have come to the conclusion that the 'trinity' does not exist explicitly in the bible, only in the minds of believers who project back onto the word. Can you refer me to a scripture in the bible where Jesus speaks of the 'trinity' as succinctly as some of the Christians in this forum? I think not...
No. The Bible says that he spoke the universe into existence. In other words, he created it from nothing. That's called a miracle. He's God, remember?
well if thats the case? how did the universe come into existance? is it possible the Big Bang created God?
Good Point Burbot, how far back do we have to go to find nothing? And where did something come from if there was nothing?
yeah, its a miricale anythign is even in existance, whether you beleive it comes from God or not, its still a miricale
