I'm so sorry...

Just got this mailed to me.


Yes I know the saying goes, "Much Ado About Nothing" and unlike that Shakespearean play the Iraqi prisoner abuse is no comedy but it does involve politics of a sort. It IS something. For good and ill it will
remain an issue. On the one hand right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of the actions while on the other hand political glee will take control and fashion this minor event into some modern day My Lai
massacre.

I heard some Arabs are asking for an apology. I humbly offer mine here.

I am sorry that the last seven times the Americans took up arms and sacrificed the blood our youth it was in the defense of Muslims (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1 ? Kuwait, etc.)

I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came after 9/11.

I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Arabs.

I am sorry that Arabs have to live in squalor under savage dictatorships.

I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth.

I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their religious schools.

I am sorry that Yasir Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and highjacked the Palestinian "cause."

I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.

I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial supporters of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame the USA.

I am sorry that our own left wing elite and our media can't understand any of this.

I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk suffered.

I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide bombers upon their death.

I am sorry that those same bombers are seeking 72 virgins ? I can't seem to find one here on Earth.

I am sorry that the homicide bombers think babies are a legitimate target.

I am sorry that our troops died to free more Arabs.

I am sorry they stopped the gang rape rooms and the filling of mass graves with dissidents.

I am sorry they show so much restraint when their brothers in arms are killed.

I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group.

I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.

I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy Cutters on Fallujah.

I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy Site."

I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church - one of OUR Holy Sites.

I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings, etc.

I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized village in Africa.

I am sorry the French are ? French.

America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those responsible because that's what we do. We hang out our dirty laundry for all the world to see. We move on. That's why we are hated so
much. We don't hide this stuff like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.

Deep down inside when most Americans saw this reported in the news we were like... so what? We lost hundreds and made fun at a few prisoners. Sure it was wrong, sure it dramatically hurts our cause,
but until captured we were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated? Come on. Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own
people killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating Fallujans.

If you want an apology from this American your gonna have a long wait. You have a better chance of finding those 72 virgins.

 

Funny, and serious at the same time.

 

I really find a terrible lot of hypocrisy within arab culture. Given, we are decadent and bloated as a nation, but we do spit out alot of aid to the world. Sadly i doubt much of it goes to the people. I think it's long overdue time for America to take isolationism as it's forgein policy again.

 

Great Point!

 

MaxPower - please check your facts

2001 tax cuts - 41% of the $$$ went back to the top 20% income brackit

2003 tax cuts - 71% of the $$$ went back to the top 20% income brackit (38% of which went to the top 1% income brackit)

By 2010 under the current plan 68% of the tax relief $$$ will go to the top 20% - I wouldn't call these the suburban middle-class people.


It's the same principle as Reaganomics and any person with an ounce of economic understanding knows that this model DOES NOT WORK towards stimulating economic improvement, ultimately all it does is create larger deficits like we are currently experiencing.

And no - Bush doesn't take people's money as 'President' and build palaces like Saddam - the american people won't stand for it, but with examples like this tax relief and offshore tax sheltering that are highly unregulated - there are plenty of CEO's all over the country that can and do afford palaces much like Saddam's. Bush as a businessman (he was practically in bed with Ken Lay) and more so Cheney receive these benefits.

If I'm wrong that these practices don't do more to help the very wealthy than the working middle class - could you please explain to me why the top 5% income brackit in this country controls 95% of the wealth? Please, I'd love to hear a logical explanation for this.

 

Racist, nationalist trash.

Hrm..."savage dictatorships"...let's see...like Iran (yup, America backed one there), Iraq (that one too), Saudi Arabia (still backing that one), Kuwait (wasn't that one supposed to go democratic a decade ago?) ...shall I go on?

It's nice to know that you don't think babies are a legitimate target.

It's also nice to know that you don't think there are any babies in Fallujah...

Like most conservative email forwards, this was filled with demagogery, oversimplifications, fudged facts and of course, violent racism.

I'm so tired of hearing this crap from conservatives...America does not "spit out a lot of aid", in fact it's less than any other industrialised nation in relative terms. But they'll never mention that on CNN or Fox news. They'll just continue the same old junk about how we're blowing up women and children, funding brutal regimes and horrible death squads, sending weapons to some of the worst monsters on the planet and of course, charging the American people an arm and a leg to do it, all in the name of "humanitarianism".

I challenge anyone here to find a war in the last hundred years that wasn't fought for "humanitarian" reasons.

 

Not to mention the fact that our "aid" is routinely tied with stipulations that the money may only be spent on projects controlled by US corporations or for supplies produced by US corporations (all of which is charged at rates higher than could be obtained from indigenous industries which would actually provide much need economic support to the actual civil populations of these countries Washington claims it "aids".

So US aid is nothing more than an exercise in earmarking money to be spent by recipient governments on goods and services offered by US interests (give with one hand take it all back with the other).

That my friend is NOT remotely what foreign aid is about.

 

First off, keep your insults to yourself. The only thing it does is display shallowness in character.

Incase you don't know, when a city is bombed we do not simply load up planes with explosives, fly over the city, and let fly. Strategic targets are selected so that we can avoid killing all those babies.

Also, your stereotypes of the right wing unveil your ignorance for everyoneto see. This is an E-mail forward, and just that. Whoever took the time to write this, im sure, did not want to take the time to write an essay after each statement to back them up.

And please, besides perhaps the french comment, which was obviously intended to be a carchastic joke. I see no racism at all in that letter. Would you mind pointing out all racist remarks? If critisizing a culture for misteaks that have been made is racism, then you my friend, would appear to be just as, if not more racist than I.

You say that America contributes less humanitarian and finacial aid than any of the other industrialized countries. Would you care to site a reliable source for this statement? or is this something you came up with yourself? Could you please name the other countries that are contributing more to humanitarian efforts in Iraq and Afganistan than the US? Have you ever heard of the Berlin air lift? Do you know what the word humanitarian means? Incase you do not know what huimanitarian means allow me to educate you. The word Humanitarian can be defined as the the promotion of the general welfare and the advancement of society. So could you please explain to me why we would want to fight a war that is not for the common good and advancement of society? You do know that a man named Adolf Hitler attempted to fight such a war once dont you? Yeah, didnt work out to well.

If you didnt realize this, every single war ever fought that contained more than 1 participating sides was fought for humanitarian reasons. Think about it.

 

What sort of war has only one participating side? And are you saying both sides or just one side is fighting for humanitarianism?

Hmm, well, if you do think about it, you should come up with plenty of wars that were fought for non-humanitarian and bullshit reasons. War is rarely a pure black-and-white scenario. More often than not the humanitarian reasons that were supposedly fought for were not the de facto reasons - particularly in pre-modern times. Examples? Crusades... Islamic holy wars... all sorts of conquest wars... WWI... Vietnam... I mean, the list is staggering, man. C'mon.

 

But a conquest war has 2 sides an invading and a defending, so the defending side is fighting for it's own humanitarian needs.

 

Ah I see now. It's confusing how he put it. Yeah, I generally agree that the side who's the aggressor is in the wrong. Still, there have been wars where neither side's been a saint. The Israeli-Arab conflict has no clear moral "winner," for instance. And I mean, if you think about it, our own American Revolutionary War was in a number of ways a pretty non-humanitarian war. I'm not saying the founding fathers didn't have any noble ideas when they set up the country... but the fact is that the Revolutionary War was originally begun because the rich colonists didn't want to pay taxes.

 

Bingo. Props to GrievousAngel.

Also note, that a war with 1 participating side is also known as "genocide"

 

The Rich colonists didn't want to pay taxes? The amount of rich colonists was next to nil. and taxes were placed on ALL colonists. Example: The stamp act and the sugar act. Many colonists could'nt pay. Trade routes were cut off. Military was brought in. Finally the colonists got sick of it and organized their own militia. And that my friends is the story of the revolutionary war.

 

They weren't insults, they were statements, and given what they were responding to, I feel they were quite justified. When an entire post is made about Arabs, portraying them in a negative light, that goes as far as to advocate indiscriminately bombing one of their cities with Daisy Cutters, I for one feel that justifies statements like "racist" and "trash".

Funny, but that's not what Human Rights watch said...

http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/12/us-iraq-press.htm

"The use of cluster munitions in populated areas caused more civilian casualties than any other factor in the coalition´s conduct of major military operations in March and April, Human Rights Watch said. U.S. and British forces used almost 13,000 cluster munitions, containing nearly 2 million submunitions, that killed or wounded more than 1,000 civilians."

 

Maybe you think we are all dumb libruls who can be bullshitted about anything military, but anyone with common sense can figure out that no amount of targetting is going to keep a couple of 15,000 pound daisy cutters dropped on a city from causing massive civilian casualties, which is probably why the US does not drop 15,000 pound daisy cutters on cities.

It's just people like you who fantasise or joke about doing it.

 

This is just another of those stupid and childish list’s of unsubstantiated and undependable assertions that make the rounds and get picked up by those with empty heads and no ideas of there own.
It is the kind of politics of hate that is often used by many extremists to make one group hate another.

Is West Point really sorry that Americans don't drop a few dozen Daisy Cutters on Fallujah even if civilians lived there?

If you are willing to argue a point do so but please don’t hide behind such crap.

 

1. Do you have a source for those numbers?

2. So what?! They pay most of the taxes, thus, they should get the biggest refund.