anyone know of any powwows going on that I could attend? I wanna try auyahasca and peyote but in a traditional spiritual ritual. Well peyote I guess I could just do with my friends but I would like to attend one. I heard of come on Colorado that I could go to but yo I wanna go to mexico. You boys like mexico?
What do you mean a no go? I've done both aya and peyote before. It's not incredibly difficult to grow your own. Just graft with San Pedro, and they grow twice as quickly. I find it much more rewarding to be ingesting something you grew yourself and loved and cared for. If your living situation doesn't allow for it, just buy some boomers or acid. Last time I was in Colorado I found some pretty awesome drugs, so if you look you shouldn't have a very hard time.
I took a friend who attends pow-wows a lot to the Ocala gathering and he freaked at the circle that night cause it was so free and unrepressed...." you mean anyone can dance?" . I have NEVER BEEN to a pow wow but from the way he explains it I dont want to go. Go to a gathering and feel the energy from the earth without the politics and bullshit....( not to say gatherings are not full of politics and bullshit) . Besides youd have a lot bettter chance of finding someone experianced at real shamanism at a gathering then a pow wow......but try to avoide the wing nuts... To those who attend pow wows no disrespect is intended by this as its a second hand view of them....but I do know maria420 would have a hard time finding the thing they seek there.
b.s. powwows have stuff. that's why you have to be 1/4native american and belong to the native american church to legally use peyote. and my herbal medicine teacher brought her daughter to one and she used aya and becaome healthier and happier. in the song "let it be" by the Beatles, Mother Mary came to us speaking words of wisdom is a lady in Mexico named Maria Sabina who had been attending pow wows since she was around 10 and then started be the guide for them and gave people natural drugs. yea i have been to gatherings but I want to do one at the pow wow or maybe I should have my own pow wow. i always thought the best job in the world would be a spiritual drug guide. i let my roomies trip for the first time on mushrooms a few months ago and i was their guide and did a really good job. but i would need someone trust worthy and experienced to be my guide. i dont know any so thats why i thought a pwow wow would be good
Hate to pop your balloon there, Chica, but Paul's mother's name was Mary. That was who he was referring to. You young people come up with the weirdest shit. It's the net and the public education system.
unless it had double maning, whcih obviously it already does bc of virgin mary, thats not the meaning of that song, we studied that in herbal medicine class. chico
Just curious and I'm not at all trying to be a smart ass at all..really.. but how are you going to have your own pow-wow ? I might misunderstand the meaning of the expression " pow wow" so could someone here please enlighten ME as to the meaning of the word. From what I understand it would be hard to do solo.
Well, I'll have to remember that when I go back to Liverpool and see the McCartney's house again. I'm sure Edwina, the tour guide there, and a Liverpool native, will be amazed to find that they've had it all wrong all these years. You go ahead and believe what they told you in [snicker] herbal medicine class [/snicker] and I'll believe what I learned in Liverpool.
No wouldn't have the pow wow by myself, but I meant I would create one of my own. I really have no idea what happens at tradtional ones, but that's ok, I'll be creative with my own. And I don't see the "snicker" in herbal medicine. Herbs are extremely powerful and I love chinese/traditional medicine. But whatever I'm not about to argue with you.
and couldn't one of their goods be peyote? The Teachings of Don Juan I think by Carlo Castanova read it a while ago, not sure but anyways, peyote is definitely part of the native americna church. hey man i posted this to see if people knew of places, not to hear complaints and arguments
I am a enrolled member of an Native American tribe in Oregon, and today most all Pow-wows do not allow alcohol & drugs. Native brothers & sisters that show up at pow-wows drunk or high are looked down upon. Espeacially by our elders who most all our young people were taught from birth to have the deepest respect for. Because Native Americans have the highest rate per-minority of death caused by substance abuse. Pow-wows are gatherings of fellowship and celebration but most of all they're dance competitions. Through our singing, drumming dancing we are also celebrating our Creator & Mother Earth (drumming is the heartbeat of the earth) & we can receive a natural high from this. Though, Pow-wows are not a religious ceremony. They are way to keep our culture & heritage alive.
Your right! Real Native American Churches that use peytoe in their ceremonies are not adverstised or open to the general public. THIS religion is alive & well & practiced all over Indian Country and there's MANY of them. If you find one that does allow non-natives or seekers who just want to get high, they are usually scams & taking advantage of them.
I feel better now to know I was not misinformed. Thank you all so much for enlightening me to the answer to the question I had asked.... Maria perhaps what you are looking for is not exactly what you had expressed.... I also like the carlos castanada books..they helped shape my thinking growing up..I read The teachings of don juan at 13 because I thought it was going to tell me how to pick up chicks<smile> . I got a lot more out of it then if I had bought the right Don juan book. you are seeking the path of shamanism and thats great. There are a lot of ways to learn more but I would downplay the desire to try peyote as motivation. There are a lot of teachers claiming to teach the Toltec path and I'm sure some are scam artists cashing in on the Castaneda legend.....remember also that there is a lot of question on how much of that is fiction. here are some websites you might like. www.castaneda.com www.tolteccalender.com www.toltecnagulal.com http://deoxy.org/shaman.htm You mentioned mexico...... at a place near Tulum there are beach cabanas mostly full of euro-hippie types ( I'm an old fashioned american hippie) but from what I understand some have classes in traditional herbal healing that you might like. here is a link to start: www.cabanascopal.com I would almost bet money someone on the board has been there. you could also ask on the thorntree/lonely planet board in the mexico area but I would not use terms like " Drug " when explaining what you are looking for.....that might be a turn off to a person would could otherwise point you in the right direction. There are some folks out there who take offense at spirit helpers being called drugs. Good luck on your quest.....
I must say, in defense of your objection, that I could have phrased that much better. It was my intention to say that those who teach herbal medicine should stick with herbal medicine, and not go off on wild tangents trying to figure what Sir Paul meant. Having taken Virgin Rail up to Liverpool and taken the Magical History Tour, and having seen Paul's famaly's house, which is now in the National Trust, and having read Sir Paul's words about what he meant when he wrote what he wrote, I must respectfully disagree with what your Herbal Medicine teacher thinks the words mean. But, since you have already stated that you do not wish to discuss the matter any further, I must assume that you are comfortable with what your herbal medicine teacher tells you, and that any information to the contrary is to be disregarded, inasmuch as I obviously have no idea what I am talking about. I want you to go right on ahead and believe what you want, since you evidently have absolutely no regard for the truth, which, as an old Hippie, I hold in high regard. I have tried to share with you some of my experiences, which include taking a trip from London to Liverpool, but, in your infinite wisdom, you have elected to take the word of an herbal medicine teacher. It is precisely why most of us old folks have given up: you are convinced of your own omniscience, and are either unwilling or unable to listen to the stories of those who have come before you. I am happy to watch you stumble though our mistakes. Maybe you'll even survive them. And this is what "Hippie" really meant, my friends. Slavish adherence to dogma; the dogma of Astrology, I Ching, Macrobiotic food, The Port Huron Statement, Timmy Leary, Funky Western Fashion, SDS, The Brotherhood of Eternal Love, O-E-Ya! (not going to explain that one). We lost our way. We did. We got sidetracked into the seductiveness of hot tubs,and red bud, and Sasha Shulgin, China White, Cal-porn, Coke. Especialy coke. Steely Dan and Coke, and weird funky drinks like White Russians and Rusty nails. Hot little cunts promising the Garden of Earthly Delights. Time for a cutoff here. If you all are lucky, I'll tell you some stories.
Dear Micheal...pardon me for having to correct you. There is a Native American Church, that happens to be 250,000 members strong. I don't understand why you think it is a scam. I've been a member for over 10 years and I have never been scammed by this church. I'm rather offended. As for The Medicine. I'm rather content in your ignorance...may you remain that way. Dear Maria420...girl you have a long way to go before the truth is revealed to you. I am grateful for people's previous postings regarding The Medicine as I feel nausea even at the thought of correcting you. But I seem to not be able to hold myself back : it's not Carlos "Casanova", it's Carlos ~Casteneda~, and as for your ego driven remark about not caring about "tradition" and then remarking about your love for traditional chinese/herbal medicine. You are confused and rather sad in your flaming ignorance as well. Go ahead and have your "pow-wow" you'll never find Peyote there, nor the ceremonial persons that are stewards of The Medicine. Like it was mentioned by RJchinook....but surprise! There are non-native NAC members! I'm one of them! And I find it laughable that so many find those books a tool for truth, since they are all works of fiction...but then people enjoy Anne Rice books as if they they were nonfiction as well, so go figure. But folks have to understand that the Yaqui Indians aren't peyote eaters, it's the Huichols, and those books aren't true testimonials of a "shaman"...infact shamans originate in Siberia...people that have ceremonial ways are called "Medicine Men" on this continant...and it's not a matter of semantics (sp?). Anyway, any real native traditionalist would tell you that, and also tell that there aren't any real Medicine Men left. Also please excuse me for being offensive...but sometimes the truth hurts.Peace!
Well folkies that like to post in this spot, I was feeling nostalgic for the spiritual aspect of cacti delecti and I thought I'd bump it up.. for fun I guess.
The 1/4 Native American law breaks the first amendment. The "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" part in particular. Laws deciding who can legally partake in which sacrement are unconstitutional.
Totally agree'd anything you grew yourself even mushrooms i think will result in a more rewarding experience
agree'd. Micheal. you dont know what your talking about son. you should know your facts before saying some stupid shit.
