i was thinking of buying some salvia tincture because i heard you can just put some under you tounge and still get realy good effcts of so the bottle i might get is this "the maximum saturation of 44mg/oz of salvinorin" it a pretty penny to buy so i was woundering if its worth it,also what dose would i have to take to get good effects,or should i buy some dried leaves and just chew on those
No, no, no, no no no! Well, yes, if you're a scientist. But otherwise, no! That tincture is WAAAAAY too powerful for what you want to use it for. If you're using something that precise in dose, you are HIGHLY risking an overdose (non-harmful, I mean) that will blow your mind and scare you SH**-less! And those last two letters won't be censored in the real thing! Settle for 5-10x, or 15x if you fail to get the effects you want off of them (though that shouldn't be a problem). The tincture is just too concentrated to use unless you have accurate measurement tools (and I don't mean a gram scale!). Edit: If you want to take Salvia sublingually (or otherwise through the lining of the mouth), making a quid of fresh leaves is probably the best way to go.
what it exactly is a salvia extract ive seen them in bottles but is it like a resin like hash or something, so i would buy a 10x extract for example and chew on that, i know your suppose to use fresh leaves but i can only find dryed leaves can i still use dried leaves, becasue of health problems i can no longer smoke
This is the simple explaination of an extract (if you want to know more about the practical extraction process, you'll have to look it up for yourself, I don't know much about how it's actually done): You want to make 10x extract. You take 9 Salvia divinorum leaves. Do some stuff and use Acetone (or something like that?) to extract the salvinorin-A out of it. Isolate the salvinorin-A. And put it back into a 10th leaf. Thus, you have 10 leaves' worth of the principal psychoactive ingredient, stuck into a single leaf. This gives you "10x extract." And you pretty much only typically smoke extracts; I don't recommend chewing them. If you plan to use a quid, you are probably better off just getting plain leaves. You can chew dried leaves, but I can only imagine that it would taste particularly bad, especially considering even fresh leaves are supposed to taste bitter. If you can't smoke it, then maybe you should use the tincture, but you need to do some reading up on use of the tincture; maybe e-mail the tincture's creators and ask them for advice, and/or check Erowid. I've never used the tincture and I'm not about to misinform you; I don't know much about it, other than that it's very powerful and too much could put you into hell. =P
well what i think about that tincture is that this is 44mg of the active ingredent(salvinorin) in salvia per oz right? the bottle is sold in half oz and oz which would mean there is 22mg of salvinorin in a half oz bottle? now if i just knew the mg of salvinorin in a normal dose of salvia i could just mesure the amont of tincture by cutting it with fractions till i come to a close enough dose or i could make my own tincture which correct me if im wronge put an amount or savia leaves in about 190 proff alochol then burn out as much alochol as i can, then just take the tincture i made and keep it in my mouth till i feel the effects come on then spit it out or put a drop under my tounge. i should have probly post this in the chemistry section
so a 44mg tincture wouldnt be that high of a dose im guessing then a normal salvia dose is about 10mg? now with the tincture i know you cant eat salvia but i know you can chew on the leaves and not spit out the juice and get high so would i just put the tincture in my mouth and let it sit till i start to feel the high then spit it out?
Basically, yes. It would probably be safe to swallow the tincture though, instead of spitting it out. It's only going to be a negligible amount of grain alcohol anyway. It should take 15 to 30 minutes ... depending on the dose and the person. Maybe rub it around a little bit. But your best bet is to just keep all of it under your tongue, probably.
personally I would not swallow the full 44mg for a first time experience. it will mostlikely be an extended level 5 - go for 1/2 (if you swallow chase with some water to get exposure to more absorption surface in the gut and a faster ramp) if you smoked first you might note the relief of level 5 terminating within 4 minutes of onset. level 5 for 20 minutes is a bit much but it will probably occur with the whole 44mg oral dose ( remember smoked that is ~80 doses - round the world - very intense ).
well i dont got the money for a full oz they sell half oz no im guessing a half oz would be 22mg? 22mg is =to 40 smoked doses? that seem like to much ive never done salvia so i dont know what the trip is like but i dont want a huge trip for a frist time but i dont want a littile one either. ive read about 6 trip levels? i would like a 3 for first time
You should read up on dosing using the tincture; read up on Erowid or something. Also, yeah, I'd say level 3 is a good first experience. =) It's like opening the door to the other realm, and looking through it, but not actually walking through it.
Better yet, do a search on "Daniel Siebert" who is basically the Salvia Guru. 500-800 MICROgrams of Salvinorin-A will get you where you want to go. I most definitely wouldn't take 22 MILLIgrams. And you do it sublingually, that is, you hold it as much under your tongue as possible for (I think Siebert recommends) around 5 minutes.
If you buy the tincture from Daniel, he includes detailed instructions about how to imbibe it. He suggests that first timers use four dropperfuls of tincture with 3 1/2 dropperfuls of water (using separate droppers for each substance, as water should never be put into the tincture bottle. Doing so will weaken the tincture considerably). Using the tincture straight is inviting considerable discomfort, as the alcohol burns. and I mean BURNS. Putting it right under the tongue will involve lots of tears and will cause your salivary glands to produce excess saliva, which will dilute the tincture even further, as well as make for a lot of liquid to hold in one's mouth for 10-15 minutes. I can personally attest to the effectiveness of the tincture Daniel sells.
ive read up on the tincture on Daniel Siebert salvia research page it said the dose ranges for a 1/2 oz said if diluted it would be 6 doses undiluded it would be 9,this is for a moderate trip i dont know how much water to dilute it with
No point starting a new thread, but I'm trying to keep a baseline at a low level of salvia intake....just a bit off-kilter, as it were....anyone else try this?
The starting dose that Daniel suggests is 4 dropperfuls, diluted, which puts the experience in the moderate range. If undiluted, the experience will be a strong one. I used the 4 dropperfuls diluted and totally disassociated from my body. I didn't even know I *had* a body, except for my head and the only reason I seemed to keep that is because I started talking. Perhaps I'm overly sensitive to this stuff. Someone else's mileage may vary. I think it's easier to estimate the strength of doses by dropperfuls and measuring that against your experience rather than by milligrams, micrograms, whatever. Especially seeing as how everyone will respond differently to Her. I'd rather reach Her by the path of leaves than the bridge of smoke anyday. The table on Daniel's site specifies the number of dosages per bottle, NOT the number of dropperfuls one should take. Per the pamphlet that was included with my bottle of tincture, the moderate dose, if diluting, is 3-4 dropperfuls. The dilution ratio is 1-1 1/2 droppers of HOT water for every two dropperfuls of tincture. In Daniel's formula there are about 18 dropperfuls in the 1/2 ounce bottle. So if you didn't reach level 3 with the first dose, you could try again, adjusting the dropperfuls as necessary. Bear in mind, of course, that if you use the tincture undiluted (I don't recommend it), you'll have more chances to try per bottle, because you'll be using less elixir each time. Tincture is very reliable. if you know where your baseline is and how many dropperfuls it takes to get there, you can pretty much reach that point every time. That's been my experience, anyway. Peace, ya'll.
thanks everyone for your help i plan on uptaining a 1/2 oz which right now doesnt look to promising, but hey i dream
