is god capable of change?

a question...

-it seems that in order to change, a moment of non-perfection is required. is god capable of change, and if so, does that make him imperfect?

-as well, if god is omniscient and thereby knows his future actions, is he capable of escaping his own plot?

any comments welcome & appreciated..


peace,
sophia

 

if the Absolute Truth is mutable, it is no longer absolute.

what makes you believe in multiple eternities?
how are you so familiar with god's journey?

peace,
sophia

 

try to find another model for your god. you're descovering that the one you have is bullshit. ...not that they're not all bullshit.

 

okay,

again, where do you get your knowledge from? these hiccups in the matrix - what causes them? god? nature? what exactly do you mean when you talk about the hiccups? this is like trying to decipher an abstract painting.

i understand what you're saying- the truth changes, yet remains the same. what exactly changes about the truth then, when it does change? the eyes turn from blue to green, but they're still eyes... how does this correlate with god's or truth's changing? how can god (or truth) change without changing from his perfection?

also, the multiple eternities thing... clearly if one eternity ends and another beings, then these 'eternities' must be finite. so god takes a break after one eternity and changes; why does he change? why would perfection change?

peace,
sophia

 

consciousness:

if that is what everything comes down to, where does god fit in? if god is consciousness, there's no need to name god as a separate entity. if god is not consciousness, then he created it, and for you to escape that system would be to become like god himself.

to be honest, i'm finding it difficult to understand your train of thought as a direct answer to my question, but i do like reading your responses like i enjoy meditating on a piece of poetry. so i do thank you for your input.

i liked your comments on synergy and love, and the extreme example of self sacrifice -
i was reading a book describing the work of basho, and i was reminded:

"calling and answering may be seen superficially as cause and effect, but when i say, "How are you?" there is only that question, emerging from the darkest unknown. When you reply "Pretty well," there is only that response, appearing from the void. Out of silence comes sound; out of darkness comes light." [r.aitken]

so, thanks for your feedback, you fuckin crazy.

haha...

peace,
sophia

 

Equivocation.

Physics and quantum mechanics are neither absolute or undeniable. One is an ever evolving branch of science containing conflicting theories and the other is one of those theories that is representational and open to further amendment or outright deletion if a better theory comes along.

 

Is it? Or is being part of the system union with God?

Maybe it would be better to say that escaping your prejudiced notions of the system is what makes you see your union with God.

Onion, union, onion, ACLU!!!

 

would that be a paradox?

is there any absolute truth....are there any absolutes?

 

haha...

indeed!


etsy, a real paradox is when i say there is no absolute truth. absolute truth... not a reality, but an ideal, maybe. i would think that most mathmaticians consider the existence of absolute truth to be a reality; quantum physicians not so much.

still no comments along the lines of the original intent of the thread. can god change!, can god change??

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peace,
sophia

 

Can God change what?

 

i don't think so, i think of god as a concept. I believe that change happens inside of god and manifests in our reality, but i also think our reality aslo exists inside of god. God's always been there.

 

My first thought is, yes, God can do whatever God wants to do, and if change is what God wants, I would suggest it is no problem. Would God change? or want to change? is there any need to? For these answers, and the definitive answer to the first question, you'd have to ask God. How could I possibly know?

 

God doesnt change, because for him to change means he would have been doing something wrong or imperfect the first time, and this would mean that God is imperfect, which is contrary to the central belief that God is perfect.

But then this makes one think, well what about when God had to send a flood to whipe out the flawed human race that he had made? He obviously made a mistake there, unless he planned on killing his great creation ("and He saw that it was good") from the start.

 

first, i don't understand why change has to mean that there was an initial mistake... even for this deity figure of yours. further, it seems like it should be obvious that if the christian god is everything, all things happen within it. there can be no outside force or "change of mind" that isn't, in a way, "intentional" or not considered to be actual "change". it reminds me of "that's just the way it is, don't think about it and trust blindly"... kind of like suspended disbelief one has to have with plots that don't make sense.

(damn this religion is redicoulous...)

second,

 

because change implies that one found a new way/better way/ more convenient way of doing something and that owuld imply the original wasnt sufficient.

 

If god is perfect, then his rules are independent of what the conditions are on earth, because earth is imperfect, and has no effect on perfection. Therefore, he would have no reason to change.

 

what do you mean the Earth is imperfect? how could one possabliy know that? just because certain things don't fully support mere human existance or perception? everything in the universe is as it "should" be because that is the way it came to be and no one is making decisions (wich can be hard for some people to understand because we're so used to being in control of our little world that we have to ascribe even more powerful beings to more powerful forces). if you want to find "imperfections" then you might as well find everything to be "imperfect". everything is as perfect as it is imperfect. it all depends on how one choses to look at it. even with that in mind, it's ridiculous to think that one could have a "correct" universal perception of such things.

i still don't think that "change" has to mean there was a mistake or a better way of doing something but yea, it might imply it... but anyway, for this god to change, it would have to be of it's own decision and it wouldn't be much of a change because they tought me in sundayschool that God is everything including all possable changes(well, they didn't, but i inferred it and most would agree). to mere human perception it may seem like change but i don't think that one could imagine the type of real change such a god would experience.

omnipresent
omnipotent

 

When I said earth I meant the human race. The earth hasn't changed much since people have been on it, but the human race has changed a lot. But why would the human race have any effect on the nature of god? Unless god is a product of the collective human psyche, and not the other way around, the god would not change, at least not to accomadate changes in people. But if you read the bible, it would seem he(she/it) changed a lot between the OT and NT. Perhaps to suit whomever was doing the preaching.

 

yeah the angry/vengeful god in the OT and the loving father figure in the NT

 

A true god would be a divinely perfect being, and therefore have no need for change, being perfect.

But a perfect being would have to have the ability to change.

But with no need for change, why change?

I'm sure there's a way to use reductio ad absurdum here.