Los Angeles Protests

I see, you have no trouble with anyone using the Marines, Army, etc. to fire on civilians?
Sorta like what happened at Kent State?
Do you have confidence in Trump using them with due cause?
Do you think they are needed in L.A.?

Tell me please, should Trump have called out the military to stop the Jan. 6 insurrection?

 

So where were they?
Seems he had no trouble calling them out in California even when the governor, state police, and local law enforcement didn't want them.
Yet when the very center of the federal government is under attack he can't seem to get them to show up!
Even though the chief of the U.S. Capitol Police and the mayor of Washington, D.C. asked that they be activated at 1:09 PM, they didn't show up until 5.
And even then it was Pence who approved deployment, not Trump.

Now there was a discussion of using them on Dec. 31 but that didn't go anywhere.
Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund turned down a request by Rep. Maxine Walters on Dec. 31.
On Jan. 3 Trump agreed with the idea of activating the D.C. National Guard to support D.C. police (not Capitol Police) with crowd and traffic control. Not to put down a possible assault on the Capitol. He never asked for that.
Capitol Police Chief Sund, not Trump, asked for the guard to be on stand by and he was denied by the House and Senate sergeant-at-arms. Whom Trump could have overruled.

But these are all other people, not Trump.

On Jan. 6 at 1:09 Sund, not Trump, tells the House and Senate sergeant-at-arms, Irving and Stenger, that the National Guard is needed. They agree to “run it up the chain.” Who is at the top of the chain? Trump.
At 1:49 Sund, not Trump, tells D.C. National Guard, Maj. Gen. William Walker, to bring in the guard as he hasn't heard from Trump.
By 2:24 p.m Trump has not called for the guard and has not told the rioters to leave. Instead he Tweets:

This as the rioters are chanting "Hang Mike Pence", and have erected a gallows.
At 2:26 Sund is still trying to get help.
And it goes on...but again these are all other people, not Trump.
By 3:04, due to a lack of response from Trump, Secretary of the Army McCarthy, General Milley, Defense Secretary Christopher Miller, and Vice President Pence approvefull DCNG mobilization...again not Trump.
At 3:19, they inform Sen. Chuck Schumer and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that the guard has been activated, no mention is made of Trump being involved.


Then after the guard has been deployed, at 3:36, Trump announces that the National Guard is on the way.
He didn't call them, he just took credit after he saw that the assault had failed.
The guard doesn't arrive until 5:40 p.m, after things have quieted down. 1

All Trump had to do was pick up a phone, any phone during the assault. He didn't. Don't tell me he wanted the guard before Jan. 6....so what? All he had to do was order them to appear...he didn't.

 

Yes, let's start at the beginning.
L.A. was peaceful, no protests, no riots until Trump's heavily armed henchmen wearing camouflage, bulletproof vests and masks led raids in three areas and arrested 44 people including the president of the Service Employees International Union that represents 1.9 million workers. He ended up being hospitalized.

Note these actions were taken by a man who claims to going after lawbreakers......but is a convicted felon and sexual molester himself.

That is the beginning.
Unnecessary actions taken by a convicted felon that were then resisted by the population.

These raids were not sanctioned by the L.A. police.
Those who deserved to be arrested could have been arrested at any time by ICE, without the fanfare and public display.

Now as to the riots.
They took place in about a one square mile area. L.A. proper is about 469 square miles, and has about 3.8 million people living in it.
These riots were a minor, very minor occurrence which the police handled.

For context, at the end of the last Superbowl, 10,000 people rioted in Philadelphia. Fires were set, vehicles vandalized, looting occurred, and two people were shot; yet the National Guard was not sent by Trump.

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Why is that?

 

Nope. I'm saying Trump's methods are showmanship. An act of a petty tyrant, a bully who loves to exert power.

If arrests were warranted they could have been done without the display of force.
The Guard and Marines were unnecessary.
The Marines are shock troops, trained to lead military assaults. They are not intended to be used against civilians.
ICE doesn't need masks. If their objective is honorable and just, no need to hide.

Trump knew he would cause a violent reaction to his raids. That's what he wants.
Then he can declare that there's a threat.
So he sent 2,000 Guard personal and 700 Marines to an area already under control by the LAPD.

He's setting us up for the Insurrection Act of 1807 so that he can send troops anywhere he wants.
Then he can claim that Democracy is in danger and cancel elections.

Look for more provocative actions by Trump leading to more demonstrations...and as those of us who were around in the 60s know... peaceful demonstrations can be infiltrated and incited to riot.
Just what trump wants.

 

LOL! Remember when MAGA clowns were crying over wearing masks?

Agents never wore masks when arresting John Gotti, head of the Gambino crime family, or El Chapo.
Meanwhile protesters are banned from wearing masks on college campuses.

You are saying that unidentified “secret police” should be allowed to exist on our streets.
Masked agents arrested Rumeysa Ozturk, a Tufts University graduate student from Turkey, because she co-wrote a student newspaper article critical of Israel.
So much for Free Speech and the first Amendment. Unknown masked men put an end to that.

In New York cases of police brutality were forced to end after the officers couldn't be identified.

In Detroit two women sued after their home was raided and they were injured while the masked agents looked for drugs. None was found and the officers could not be identified. The case was dismissed.

And so it goes.
If the agents fear retaliation, all they need to do is use agents from one area of the country in a different area of the country.
The Pennsylvania State Police have used this procedure since 1905.

Here's another group of men who wore masks because they feared being outed.

Masks allow the wearer to do whatever they want.​