Casino Methods Of Winning.

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  1. Jimbee68

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    Did you ever notice? The dealer at casinos no longer shuffles the deck in from of you. He takes each card from a large, heavy wooden box. Obviously because he memorized the order of the deck in advance. I said that on the a message board once and they said that doesn't prove anything. Well maybe not. But it seems odd.

    Then someone else on that message board said, so what? How would knowing the order of the deck change anything for the dealer? Well, all I know is when customers do that at the casino it's called card counting. They track the ratio of high to low cards remaining in the deck to gain an advantage. (I didn't say that on the message board because they were getting obnoxious with me at that point. But that's what I think though.)
     
  2. scratcho

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    No one could memorize the order of a deck in advance.:cool: When exactly and how would that happen? I haven't gambled in years, but as I recall , they use two decks in those dispensers, which would only add to the impossibility.
     
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  3. Jimbee68

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    If you really don't know, and are not joking. They decide the order in advance. Probably something that looks random, but that is meant to somehow give the house an advantage. Maybe based on how many people usually sit at the card table. Then the dealer, again if your are not joking, memorizes the order that it will be drawn from that large wooden box. Memorizing large amounts of information is easy. They say actors sometimes memorize the whole script of a movie overnight. They say that the opera Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg by Richard Wagner is the longest opera in existence. So memorizing a 52 deck card should be a cinch. Most people could do it in an hour. With practice a good dealer could do it in five minutes I'm sure.

    Then card counting comes into play. Card counting involves tracking the ratio of high and low cards remaining in the deck to give an edge, in this case to the casino, by adjusting bets and playing decisions based on the deck's composition. As the game continues, the dealer would increase his bet and make more aggressive playing decisions (like hitting or doubling down). Or, when the ratio is low, bets are reduced, and playing decisions become more conservative.

    Does that answer your question?
     
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    Card counting happens when players observe the face cards showing and then figure how many are left to be dealt. They adjust their bets accordingly --mentally trying to figure the odds on each hand of face cards being dealt. Dealers don't increase their bet---they don't bet. They cover the bets that players make. Players have the choice to double down or taking hits---not dealers. Evidently you have not played blackjack in a casino.
     
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    Have you noticed that NO billionaires (to my knowledge) have claimed they made their fortune from actually gambling. Owners of gambling casinos know the odds are in their favor and many public officials get paid on the side -- which is legal income and illegal income.

    Well educated, hard-working, investment professionals know the probabilities of all kinds of things to the extent that they make a lot more than they spend. And then there are **#&#^E's that came up with an idea and have been "sticking" it people ever since.
     
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  6. Toker

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    Casinos win because the odds are stacked in their favor, not the card decks.

    All the games, live or electronic are designed to win for the house so over the long run the house will always win when the game puts the odds in their favor.

    They don't have to cheat. That said, Ive seen dealers cheat for fun more than anything else.

    If you make 10 bets, expect the house to win anywhere from 6 to 9 of them depending on the game.
     
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  7. scratcho

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    "In the long run"--------yeah , the casinos odds of winning pretty much guarantee the long run winning for the house in any game. Now, the short term is or can be a different matter. That's when card counting( in Blackjack) can help a player increase his / her odds of drawing favorable card / s for an individual hand. In fact , very good card readers are escorted right on out of any casino that suspects they are card readers. Which of course shows that those who study this method and become good at it---can win.

    There are players of poker that make a living at various games. It's not hard to learn the correct way to play in a poker game on what the probability / odds are for improving a given hand by getting the exact card or cards to complete a winning hand.
     
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    GOOD LUCK, SUCKERS!!:D
     
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  11. Jimbee68

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    But I was just going to add quickly. I didn't mean car counting literally. I just said, and said on that other message board, there would be at least some advantages to the dealer knowing the cards everone was dealt in advance. Which would be easy if he knew the order of cards in the deck. Then he'd count them out to how many people normally sat at that table. Or he wouldn't even have to do that.

    That's what I really meant. I thought the house did place a bet too. But I wouldn't know, I've never gambled. I also am still wondering why they now pull the cards from a wooden box. A large, heavy wooden box. Which just seems odd to me, all of that.
     
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    It wouldn't matter if the dealer knew what all the cards were in advance, which is an impossibility anyway, as the rules dictate the results of what the dealer can do , which is represent the casino by the 2 initial cards dealt to him / her and any additional cards he may be obligated to take. Anything under 17 and the dealer HAS to take a hit. If the dealer hits 17 and up on the first two cards--he / she stays.The player / s can hit as many times as they want until they go over 21, or are satisfied with what they have---but BEFORE THE dealer exposes his / her cards. Even if one is not a card counter, there's a strategy to hitting or not.
     
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  13. scratcho

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    I would suggest that you learn what you are talking about before you post on a given subject----for example: this one..
     
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  14. Jimbee68

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    I don't know what any of you are even talking about. Knowing all the cards ahead of time would give the dealer several advantages. Maybe card counting is the wrong name for it. I'm not going to explain it to all of you because you are all beginning to give me a headache now.
     
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    I repeat post 13. C'mon man--just admit you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to this subject. It doesn't hurt much to be wrong.:D
     
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    Well?
     
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  17. Echtwelniet

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    House always wins.........counting cards is not so hard(casino s).............getting away with it, win to much.............they still remove you.

    And a big diffrence between online and real casino gambling(odds)............house still always wins:D (believe me i tryed)

    Dutch goverment legalized online gambling,income went from 200 million(lotery/casino) to a billion(online/sports/ect)..........on the other hand they worry about gambling addictions(youth).*sigh*

    Mzzls
     
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  18. Jimbee68

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    Not that it matters all these months later. But that would give the house an advantage, knowing what cards everyone at the table gets. But it's not called card counting. There might be another name for it though. But on ABC's detective drama Hart to Hart they had a story on this. How a house would use that knowledge, knowing what cards all the players had. (If you're in a casino just watch. Do you ever see the dealer actually shuffle the deck? Ever?)

    Also I was watching on Prime Time Live or 20/20. Those slot machines are usually rigged. They have no moving parts now. And they make it look like you are always coming tantalizingly close to winning, but you never do. Always: bar-bar-lemon. Or bar-bar-cherry. That's no accident. I don't know if casinos are allowed to cheat. But they are allowed to make money. And that is how they make money. But having games that the customers almost never win at.
     
  19. scratcho

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    Slot machines are set to return a certain percentage of the money put in but the % the house gets is of course more. You still haven't explained to me how in the world ANYONE could memorize the cards dealt to players in a casino and when they could do so.
     
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    Oh, I didn't understand the questions. Ah, when? I don't know a day before, a week before. When ever they set up those cards. I don't know when they do it? How? Memorize? Was that your question? Well, repetition works for some. Making a mental image while you repeat. Making it into a song works for some...
     

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