Words for genitalia...

Discussion in 'Genitalia' started by Bitter Moon, Feb 20, 2007.

  1. Aule39

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    Fascinating stuff.

    Just curious, are you a philologist by training?
     
  2. Mountain Valley Wolf

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    No. In writing this book I did an awful lot of study in etymology--self-taught with college textbooks, and research studies, etc. I collected a huge amount of lexicons and dictionaries, and over the years there have been some amazing things that have appeared briefly on the internet. For example, there was a complete Ural-Altaic lexicon that I was able to print out, that would have cost me a good $200 or more to buy, and even a 20 some volume dictionary of Mesopotamian cuneiform. I have made friends or met people who have been able to get me vocabularies of obscure languages, including the kind of words that you probably wouldn't find in many dictionaries. I met an Australian, for example, who was vacationing in the Philippines, and he lived in a remote area of Australia and worked with people that would go out and help various aboriginal tribes there. I have hundreds of dictionaries ranging from Budge's Egyptian Hieroglyphs to Gothic, and other old German languages, to a large assortment of African languages, Siberian languages, South East Asian languages and languages of the Pacific and the Americas. Languages from all over the world. Then there are dictionaries of proto-languages or language roots, such as dictionaries on Indo-European roots (and of course my lexicons also serve as vocabulary root language dictionaries, comparing roots across languages. And then I have hundreds of vocabularies and word lists. If you name a language anywhere in the world, dead or alive, common or obscure, chances are very good that I have a dictionary, or at least a vocabulary, of that language.

    Add to this the fact that I am fluent in Japanese, and in Osaka-ben (the Osaka dialect), and in college, studied the differences between various Japanese dialects, I can read Chinese (as long as the grammar does not get too odd), I can understand Tagalog quite well, and speak enough Lakota that when I participate in ceremony with my Sioux friends I can understand the prayers, prayer songs, and so forth. I studied Russian and German in junior high and high school and at one time my Russian was so good that I won a statewide contest for students of Russian which I was entered into at the last minute by my Russian teacher, and unlike the other students, had not studied for it. I have pretty much forgotten those two languages. Before Covid we spent a number of summers in France, staying in an apartel in Nice, and while I can't really speak it, I can certainly make my way around, and most importantly, flirt with the pretty French girls. The longer we were there each summer, the better I would get.

    My real passion is Philosophy, so in a Philology like manner, I have done things like, studied a bit of Greek grammar and with a rudimentary knowledge of Greek vocabulary, then pulled the actual Greek phrases out of the texts of Plato, or Aristotle, that I am quoting (of course, I have the English translation so I know where to look). I have done the same with Sartre in French, and Kant, Schopenhauer, and Heidegger in German, and so forth.

    The book started on kind of a whim. I was trying to pin down my own philosophical beliefs, and I decided the best way to do that was to write a book, not to publish necessarily, but for myself. Around this time I happened to find a really cool book on the history of Tantrism, and in it the author suggested that Kundalini had the same root as the c-word and wrote about how this was a very ancient Indo-European root and talked about the spiritual nature of it in Sanskrit and so forth. It got me to thinking about Tagalog words, and I knew the Arabic slang term, kusi, which could even be connected, so I got to wondering if the term spread through more than just Indo-European languages. I had a friend who was an anthropologist and we would get into deep conversations about things like this, and so I brought it up when we visited next. A month or two later, his wife started managing a New Age book store. She asked if he wanted to restart the Newsletter that the store had not done for a while. He said that if he did, he would only do academic subjects that might be interesting to the customers rather than New Age stuff. She agreed so he asked if I wanted to do an article on what I had talked about the c-word. I started researching and suddenly realized this subject was good for, not just an article, but a whole book.

    Coincidentally, one of the first books I actually bought and read in Japanese was a book called, Nihongo wa doko kara kita ka, (Where did Japanese come from?). The author argued that Japanese originated somewhere between South-Western Siberia and Southern India. What I remember the most as his connections to South-Western Siberia was the words for vagina that were very similar to words still used in some Japanese dialects. Unfortunately, I lost the book in Japan when my ex-wife ransacked my Tokyo condo. I have the author's second book on the same subject, but unfortunately, to my disappointment, he did not discuss the same words. I have had a hard time finding his first book from the States. Amazon lists it, but it has always been out of stock when I searched for it. I hope to visit Japan again one of these days and look for it.
     
  3. Aule39

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    Wow ! Very interesting indeed. I wish I had a better aptitude for learning languages, but alas, I don't.

    I am also really interested in philosophy, though thus far I have mainly studied Western Philosophy. I was an engineer/applied physicist by training and am interested in understanding the relationship between various metaphysical positions and natural science.
     
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    I can dig that. My forte' is also Western philosophy. I have studied Eastern philosophy, and of course experienced it while living in Asia, but Western Philosophy is really what I know.

    I am primarily a phenomenalist, the philosophy of George Berkeley and Kant, that is, the philosophy that our experience of reality is not the reality that we believe it is, rather it is purely phenomena. On the one hand, it could be as simple as the fact that, everything we think we are experiencing, is really the perception of the nerve impulses from our various sensory organs within our body. However at the extreme end of phenomenalism, such as that of Berkeley, none of our actual reality exists. It is only phenomena perceived by mind.

    I have been working for quite some time on a philosophy I call, Archephenomenalism (Arche meaning, First Cause). I argue that the wave, whether an electromagnetic wave, or a superpositioned quantum wave/field is a nonphysical reality. That always gets science minded people on the defensive, but think about it---whenever we measure a wave, the measurement involves a physical particle--a specific physical point in space-time (actually space-present), or, at the very least, the phenomena of a particle. We can never actually experience a wave, only the particle. Physicality only exists in the present moment and all else is of a nonphysical reality. We could say that this is merely a problem of dimensions but I think it is very significant to reintroduce the concept of nonphysicality back into the modern world. The wave is essentially, Kant's thing-in-itself

    The First Cause I refer to is, mind, but as you may know, in philosophy this can be a very general and broad concept. So I refer to it as everything from the Human mind to quantum information, and anything beyond that is up to personal belief. It is quantum information, and the universal constant, c, that determines when and where physicality will manifest, in the face of quantum randomness, and it is mind that strings the individual moments of physicality into the reality we perceive. It is a philosophy that demonstrates how the universe could be a holograph continuously appearing in and out of nothingness.

    That is a brief nutshell description of it. It is my own attempt to bring meaning back to a meaningless world. Each particle, or at least the phenomena of each particle, is the manifestation of an intentional object of quantum information, meaning that each particle exists for a brief moment, or even if it does not exist (i.e. that there is no actual quantum collapse), that the phenomena of that particle exists because it has meaning. It is also my own attempt to rationally explain the very strange and supernatural reality I experience while participating in indigenous ceremony. My stepdaugher was healed by an indigenous healer in the Philippines, and since then I have spent time in ceremony with some indigenous tribes in the the Philippines and with Lakota here in the States. To top it off, my wife's ancestors were healers in the old Philippine traditions and the gifts of healing have passed down through her family, and within the past few years, she has accepted that this is her path too.

    (Man! I bet you didn't expect that to take a turn so deep into the strange. LMAO)
     
  5. Aule39

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    This is really a fascinating discussion. I am a bit on the other side of the spectrum from you (I think). I lean towards being an Aristotelian, and hence I believe in a mind-independent reality that can be detected by our senses. I believe in the traditional four causes (efficient, material, formal, and final), and the division of being into 'act' and 'potency'. In fact, I think the quantum mechanical wavefunction demonstrates being-in-potency, which is amazing since Aristotle of course knew nothing about quantum mechanics.

    More broadly speaking, I am not a 'materialist' or 'reductionist', and hence I do not believe that all that exists are particles, and do believe human beings have an immaterial soul. Hence, I believe that 'healing' like you describe is possible because we are not solely determined by the matter that makes up our bodies. By the way, happy to hear of your step-daughter's healing!

    I am also very fascinated by the phenomenon of quantum entanglement. I don't know that anyone has a satisfactorily proposed a way to reconcile Special Relativity with the experiments that appear to confirm the non-locality predicted by quantum mechanics.

    Yes, this is an unexpected detour from the topic of names for genitals, but (to my mind anyway), it is just as interesting!
     
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    I agree with Aristotle's Nous (or universal mind for others who may read this) but I do not define mind in this way because I am hoping that my philosophy can be acceptable to everyone regardless of religious or cosmological belief. But that is one interpretation of mind that would be suitable in Archephenomenalism.

    Like Aristotle and Plato, I am an essentialist. I believe that Quantum Information is essence. However, I don't agree with Plato that there is a general essence, as in tableness for a table, rather that each physical object has its own unique essence. After all, it is the quantum information that keeps that individual object consistent from one moment to the next.

    But I do believe that our physical senses pick up physical phenomena, which is a reflection of the nonphysical, but is nonetheless, physical. I can see where there could be exceptions. My wife sees ghosts, and I have a lot of stories about that. I can't see them. But one time in the Philippines I did see what I later understood was a diwata---a little person. They were in a bar, and they would wrestle grown men who would throw them around. (I'M JOKING!!!) No----actually I saw what would be the equivalent of a fairy in Ireland, I assume. I only saw it for a moment, and it disappeared through a wall, but I could not even believe I actually saw it, until years later when I saw a drawing of one by a person who claims to see them in a forest, and I was shocked to recognize that it was exactly what I saw. But that's another story.

    On the other hand, I believe that our minds can pick up nonphysical phenomena. One way to explain this is with, what I call the Dead Friend Paradox. In a nutshell, let's say that you have a friend in a spaceship 4 light years away. You communicate with each other, but the messages, of course, take 4 years to receive. Something goes wrong on your friend's ship and he sends out a distress signal right before his ship explodes into a ball of flames. It will take 4 years for you to receive the message and the ship's telemetry to know that he is dead. But the thing is that distress signal and the telemetry transmission are all superpositioned in infinite positions across time and space. So technically the information is already in your location, even though you won't receive the signals physically, based on the universal constant, for 4 years. It is possible, if you were attuned to it, that you could receive such information intuitively.

    This also relates to quantum entanglement. The information that the particles share is already there, just not at a physical level. But quantum information as a nonphysical thing, is not of the 3 physical dimensions, so it would not be strange for it to have that information instantaneously, faster than the speed of light, which is then reflected in the other entangled particle. We could say that this information is not subject to the laws of physics, not only because it is shared via quantum information, but the state of entanglement, which is part of that information, allows them to bypass the universal constant.


    P.S. Thank you about my stepdaughter's healing. That was back in about 1992 or so. She is grown and now her 23 year old son lives in my house.
     
  7. JS420

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    That just sounds so aggressive or violent.
     
  8. Aule39

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    Lots of things to think about!

    Its been years since I have studied relativity and QM. I spent my whole career in the auto industry working on various advanced engineering projects, and now that I am retired I can go back to thinking about these more interesting topics.
     
  9. jade-

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    thats kinda why i like it, so raw
     
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  10. Redwingsfan

    Redwingsfan I’m just having a fun crazy time

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    such a dirty word I love it
     
  11. Scharff

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    Only the brave use that word, both male and female. I love using it in describing the body area, not the person. And yes, hip does filter it. Even in PM's. Drives me nuts when I write an erotic story in a PM only to find it filtered out.
     
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    Wolf, my comments somehow got attached to the small italic reprint of your original. So scan to the bottom of that. I don’t feel like rewriting the whole thing. Thanks, buddy.
     
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  14. jade-

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    yeah its more common in the uk
     
  15. Mountain Valley Wolf

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    When I get a little time later, I will go back and give a pronunciation for the other words.
     
  16. Josephinelcajon

    Josephinelcajon Joseph

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    This is more a description. Last summer I went to our nude beach and a very young girl pointed and said "elephant elephant" Neither her mom or I understood until the guy standing at the waters edge turned and wow was this guy hung! She thought his hanging penis looked like a elephant's trunk! You could only imagine this poor girl's father instantly was deflated. The next time I saw him get up he was shriveled up from the cold or shame.
     

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