Why does everyone believe in conspiracy theories nowadays?

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  1. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    That would certainly explain the lowering of IQ scores but not the fuzzy logic many people seem to be experiencing - unless of course they added more than just fluoride to the water.

    Something that would trigger the release of the hormone oxytocin in the hypothalamus, which would make people more open to crazy political ideas and conspiracy theories – no matter how farfetched they may appear...lol..
     
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  2. GeorgeCarlinFan

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    I consider myself an independent, radical, left-winger (not a Socialist), and generally don't like groups but to answer your question to give you the best sample size...

    It's very rare that one person all alone with no one else's knowledge doing something of historical significance. The JFK, RFK, MLK (and anyone else with an acronym/abbreviated name) interest me. The CIA (Church Committee) admitted they created the more ludicrous conspiracies. Probably a "disinformation/distortion" project....... Interested how (and maybe why) wars suddenly get started. Guatemala, Iran (cost so little in the 1950s). Unfortunately, people don't check out archives. I just tell people to start from what the US government admits to. And then try to read quotes, watch video - but compare, just to see how things change. Newspapers.com is one fun site, with 7-day free trial, going back hundreds of years. I think you can learn a lot from seeing what makes the front page in a small town, or a big city, etc.. Even what they have in their Classifieds, or the Letters To The Editor, etc...

    I like to basically keep my eye out, like a teacher would who checks grammar. I've seen so many articles retracted (usually due to legal pressure, because unlike England, our libel/slander laws are baloney) but people's brains usually stick with the first impression. Next time someone throws a dubious statistic, ask them their source. It seems like every time I ask, I can't get an answer. And when it's something trivial, it's usually taken from some shitty movie, like "The Doors"
     
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    in this 2022 midterm election, NY governor, Kathy Hochul is saying that the perception of crime is a Republican conspiracy theory.
     
  4. wilsjane

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    If you believe in conspiracy theories, you first have to believe that their is someone in government with the intelligence to carry them out. :D:D:D
     
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    Thankyou @wilsjane you made me laugh, sorely needed these days!
     
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    We must be the world leaders i stupidity these days.

    A chancellor, who after sitting giggling on his phone at the Queens funeral, went on to announce a budget without consulting the bank of England, sending the pound into freefall.

    A dopy PM, who as defence secretary, used her private phone that was being hacked 24/7 0n Russia. Not to mention her other stupid ideas.

    Poor Boris, who created the covid panic by adding the covid deaths to primary cause, resulting in every day around 700 people in the UK dying twice.

    My vote still goes to Larry the cat, hopefully the mice will not win the vote.

    Needless to say, we have had problems for decades, Gilbert and Sullivan had so much fun.

     
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  7. Death

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    I've been mentally conditioned to shut down my brain any time the subject of politics/conspiracies arises. I just can't handle people lecturing me on shit that i care nothing about as if they were authorities on such matters. This makes it extremely difficult to understand actual issues.

    All i want is an unbiased bulleted list underneath each candidate with pros and cons of each one.
     
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    I don't know about other states, but in California every voter gets a booklet with all the candidates listed, and exactly that, pros and cons about each. I usually base my votes on what I read in there - especially for the local unknown characters. They might be MAGAs in disguise after all. Or even outspoken, I don't want them in government as they only wish to destroy it for no apparent reason and have no plan for any type of success...
     
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    Trump!
     
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    Why do so many turn out to be true?
     
  14. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    What recent ones have turned out to be true?
     
  15. Shy0ne

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    Make a list of what 'you' think are 50 conspiracy 'theories' over the last 100 years, or however many you can come up with.
     
  16. MeAgain

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    Why would I make a list? Intrepid said many tuned out to be true. I asked him what ones turned out to be true. How does that require me to make a list?
     
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    Im surprised you would even ask such a ridiculous question, so I question if you know what a conspiracy is since most people do not.
     
  18. MeAgain

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    Well golly, sucks, I never heared that wurd afore, maybe you could 'lighten us pore ignore peepols what a con-spire-ary are.
     
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  19. Shy0ne

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    I wasnt trying to be sarcastic, sorry if it came off that way. Everyone thows conspiracy theory around like they actually understand it and they dont, since the gov prosecutes hundreds of conspiracy cases, and EVERY conspiracy starts out as a 'conspiracy theory' before it becomes a 'conspiracy fact'.

    Elements of a Conspiracy
    Conspiracy first requires a showing that two or more people were in agreement to commit a crime. This agreement does not have to be formal or in writing. All that is required is that the parties had a mutual understanding to undertake an unlawful plan. Second, all conspirators must have the specific intent to commit the objective of the conspiracy. This means that someone who is entirely unaware that she is participating in a crime cannot be charged with conspiracy. For instance, if two sisters agree to rob a bank and ask their brother to drive them to the bank without informing him of their intent to commit a crime, he cannot be charged with conspiring in the robbery. This specific intent requirement does not require that each individual knows all the details of the crime or all of the members of the conspiracy. As long as an individual understands that the act being planned is a criminal one and proceeds nonetheless, he can be charged with conspiracy.

    Conspiracy Elements
    1. 1 Two or more people agreed to commit a crime
    2. 2 All conspirators had the specific intent to commit the crime
    3. 3 At least one of the conspirators committed an overt act (most states)
    Finally, in most states, conspiracy requires an “overt act” taken in furtherance of the crime. This overt act does not have to be the crime itself, nor does it have to be an act that is illegal. Rather, the act must merely be a step taken in furtherance of the criminal objective, such as buying a weapon or holding a meeting to plan an attack. The act must also take place after the group of individuals has agreed to conspire.

    Conspiracy to Commit a Crime



    Grunewald v. United States :: 353 U.S. 391 (1957)
    Justia
    https://supreme.justia.com › cases › federal

    For every conspiracy is, by its very nature, secret; a case can hardly be supposed where men concert together for crime and advertise their purpose to the world ...


    Why did I say it was a ridiculous question? Because there are so many conspiracy cases that all started out as a theory prosecuted in the courts all over the net.

    Department of Justice (.gov)
    https://www.justice.gov › ... › News

    Mar 8, 2022 — Two California men were sentenced yesterday on conspiracy and hate crime charges for attacking five victims inside a restaurant while ...
    Jun 29, 2021 — Devin Hartzell was among 29 individuals indicted for drug conspiracy and other crimes in the 2019 Operation Smack Dragon, an Organized Crime ...

    • Grunewald v. United States

      Ocasio v. United States
      A case in which the Court determined that a conspiracy to commit extortion can involve the purported victims of the extortion as members of the conspiracy.

    • Rutledge v. United States
      Can a criminal be given concurrent life sentences for conspiring to distribute drugs and operating a continuing criminal enterprise?

    • Smith v. United States
      A case in which the Court held that the burden lies on the defendant, instead of the government, to prove withdrawal from a conspiracy regardless of when the withdrawal took place.

    • United States v. Dege

    • United States v. Feola
      Is the knowledge that an intended assault victim is a federal agent an essential element in the crime of conspiracy to assault a federal officer?

    • United States v. Shabani

    • Whitfield v. United States
      Did a conviction for conspiracy to commit money laundering, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1956(h), require proof of an overt act furthering the conspiracy?

    Every one of the above cases that had a guilty verdict are conspiracy theories that are indeed conspiracy facts! If you choose not to believe conspiracies exist thats up to you, I can post literally thousands of conspiracy theories that are in fact true.


    One of the most recent theories on the bench was against the oathkeepers in the Jan 6th affair.

    Well unless of course your intended meaning was to use it as a pejorative like the CIA uses it when they are guilty as sin and want to cover something up.

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  20. MeAgain

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    Conspiracy theories in the context of this thread are an unproven
    The examples you posted are not conspiracy theories, they are conspiracies.
     
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