Why are Native Americans so angry? Advice on a bad neighbor!?

Discussion in 'People' started by Sinead 1965, Dec 3, 2019.

  1. BeatrixPothead

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    Columbus lived and died centuries before the US existed, so it would have been quite impossible for him to visit the US, continental or otherwise. He did visit and plant both feet on what we now call the continent of North America, on his second voyage. If he wasn't honored by a Federal holiday in the US, and if he didn't have so many places and institutions named after him in the US, fewer people in the US today would have anything to say about him, favorable or unfavorable.

    Columbus was a truly excellent navigator and leader at sea. Anyone who doesn't accept that has probably never been to sea. He was a truly atrocious governor. He doesn't have to be looked at entirely favorably or entirely unfavorably. Like most of us, he had good qualities and bad qualities. He made good decisions and bad decisions. The controversy about him that exists in the US, whether you're on the pro or con side, or both as I am, is legitimate.
     
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  2. rollingalong

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    still does not compare to what everyone did to Native North American Indians not even close
     
  3. Meliai

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    Plus the Irish are doing alright now. They're treated like any old white person.
    Indigenous Americans, on the other hand, live in abject poverty on the reservations
     
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  4. hotwater

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    Yes, but she's most noted for her role in the Addams Family as well as the 19 year old seductress in Sleepy Hollow


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  5. Irminsul

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    Eww she was way cuter in Casper.
     
  6. Okiefreak

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    I've never seen a true reservation like the ones they have in Arizona, Nevada & New Mexico, but I understand conditions there are pretty bad. I understand a majority of Native Americans are no longer living on them. Oklahoma has more Native American tribes than any other state, but no reservations, in the sense of areas where he federal government holds the land in trust on behalf of the tribe--except for the Osage and Muskogee whose treaty status is still recognized. The U.S. did away with them for Oklahoma before statehood as places where Indians were assigned to live, but retained tribal governments with jurisdictional areas corresponding to the old reservation boundaries. The Chickasaw Nation has jurisdiction over a dozen counties in south-central Oklahoma with headquarters in Ada and area offices in a couple dozen cities and towns where there are significant Chickasaw populations. But other tribes and races live there too, and we can live anywhere we want.and are treated mostly like any old white person--subject to the usual prejudice from racists (which I haven't personally experienced; I understand in parts of the West it's pretty bad). Three-quarters or more of the folks in Ada and the other towns are white, although you still encounter stop signs in Ada in both Chickasaw & English. Currently, of the four Native Americans in the U.S. Congress, two are from Oklahoma, one of whom (Tom Cole, Republican) is Chickasaw, the other (also Republican) being Cherokee, .
     
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  7. hotwater

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    True she went from 15 year old cute, to 19 year old “the girl every guy wants to fuck”

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  8. Meliai

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    I've been to the Cherokee reservation several times and the level of poverty there is pretty sad
     
  9. Asmodean

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    @Okiefreak Just wondering: can people see you are for a significant part native american at first instance?
     
  10. Okiefreak

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    That would be the one in North Carolina? That's the Eastern Band. The Cherokee here have an area of jurisdiction of several counties like the Chickasaws but no real reservation.

    Wouldn't want to give the false impression that Native Americans in Oklahoma or elsewhere are in great shape. You can go through some communities and see plenty who conspicuously aren't. Nationally, Native Americans have the lowest employment rate of any racial or ethnic group, and High school graduation rates are also among the lowest of any population.(Bureau of Labor Statistics, 2012).The Poverty Cycle | Running Strong
     
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  11. Okiefreak

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    I'm "tall, dark and handsome" and could pass for something else, like Hispanic or Middle Eastern, or maybe Oriental, Pacific Islander or Italian--if that gets me ahead. In Oklahoma, lots of people have Native American blood, or claim to have--some pretty Nordic looking, like Elizabeth Warren.
     
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  12. rollingalong

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    you did not have your entire continent stolen from you
     
  13. Asmodean

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    Maybe de las Casas disliked Columbus. I mean if its the only historical account that mentions this extremes.
    And I get what you mean with calling Columbus' crimes Hitlerian, but is Hitler known for rape barns and (the ordering of) cutting off hands? ;) Even the way these two men committed genocide is completely different
     
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  14. rollingalong

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    okay you win sorry for assuming that you're posting from a full-on Irish perspective..... For the record I don't really want to get into a whole huge debate I don't have the time to go through Wikipedia and make a list of oppressed peoples cuz that would be very depressing why don't you pop into the store owners lounge chat thread and say hello and introduce yourself over there everyone is welcome :)... Would be the stoners lounge chat thread not store owner Google
     
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    lol
     
  16. rollingalong

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    We only have one side of the story so what is impossible to judge unless you completely believe the original post and I do not
     
  17. Sinead 1965

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    Yesterday when i arrived home i saw my next door Native American neighbor fighting with these two white neighbors in their early 30s on his yard. He had beat down one and when i got there Native guy was over the other and smashing his face. This other guy was just standing there with a bloody face totally confused. Both of them were bloody. So he was beating the shit out of this guy . I calmly asked him to stop and said, "Why?!" to which he screamed at me..."These racist scumbags attacked me on my own yard!". That fight scared the shit out of me. I didn't intervene. I'm a tiny woman who would get destroyed. I just watched my Native neighbor beat that man over and over again. The other guy with a bloody face walked away fast. Then finally my Native neighbor stopped beating the guy, got up and literally throw him out of his yard into the street. The guy lay there for a bit and then sort of hobbled off in obvious pain.


    According to my Native neighbor these two white guys ganged up on him, walked up on his yard, complaining about his dog and insulting him. When they started picking on him physically he retaliated with full force. He said that he legally beat these two white guys up on his private property , that they won't be able to take legal action on him because they started it. Is this true? I don't want to testify against my Native neighbor. Honestly i am afraid of him.
     
  18. Vladimir Illich

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    If what you say is true and that these 'white' guys abused and attacked your neighbour, then good for him, they deserve every kicking they receive until they learn their lesson !!!
     
  19. Sinead 1965

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    When i arrived they were fighting on his yard. He said that they walked up on his yard and attacked him.
     
  20. Vladimir Illich

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    Your neighbour was defending his property - he's entitled to do so, good for him !!!
     
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