Is it time to talk about guns?

And your point is?

 

Looks like there's a chance of getting some modest measures to address the mass shootings problem thru the Senate. And mirabile dictu, 14 Republican Senators, including Mitch McConnell seem to be on board, despite NRA opposition. The bill includes tougher background checks for gun buyers under 21, funding to encourage states to implement "red flag" laws, increased school safety funding and mental health programs, and a ban on gun ownership for people convicted of domestic abuse and violence toward unmarried intimate partners. But House Repblican leaders promise to whip against the measure. House GOP leaders to whip against bipartisan gun violence prevention bill Since the Dems have a majority in the House if Mancihn and Sinena go along, that might not be fatal. So we'll see.
Divided Senate finds agreement on bipartisan gun violence bill
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Like chicken soup, it probably can't hurt and might do some good! What do you think?

 

And yet there is intransigent Retrumplican and NRA opposition even to these. That's been my question all along with this endless debate: Is there anything the gun lovers think can be done to reduce the carnage. The only two things Ive been able to discern in all the bob and weave are mental health and public morality, both of which I'm for. But not much in the way of concrete proposals. And Retrumplican standing to raise either issue is , in my opinion, seriously compromised. Cartoon # 2114 suns up my thinking about their vulnerability on the mental health issue. Apart from the fact that they're the ones most likely to cut funding for mental health when the heat is off, there is no realistic plan for getting the folks who need it into the system. On the subject of public morality, it seems to me that the idolatrous ,morally bankrupt devotees of a degenerate crime boss who used to be President are a large part of the decadence problem--people to whom oaths of office mean nothing, violence is a first resort, the flag has become a lethal weapon, and truth is anything you want it to be. With "Christians" like these, who needs Satanists?

 

To provide facts, just the facts

 

"Facts", just the facts, without point or argument, say nothing. Sometimes significance gets lost in a morass of facts. For example, that this is 2022, not 2019. That there is no "mass shootings" category on the list. That mass shootings jumped nearly 50% in 2020 and 73% over that in 2021, including the Boulder, Colorado, supermarket shooting; the Atlanta metro spa shootings, and the San Jose transit shooting; and grew to over 250 in just the first half of 2022. Facts alone don't point out the special significance of mass shootings that go beyond mere body count: the problem of contagion, spreading of fear and insecurity, and demoralization when it seems that nothing can be done to stop them.

 

We have covered this information

 

Mental illness argument is dubious. People in other countries suffer from mental illness, but it doesn't result in mass murder.

 

Maybe those other countries should have easy access to guns... 'Murica, Fuck Yeah!

 

Can you show the link to the above information ?



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Thank You

 

Yeah, but the nra has no problem with mentally hill people flying with a gun.

 

That’s not necessarily true, we just don’t here a lot about it. There’s been mass shootings in Europe, mass stabbings in Asian countries, etc.

 

Not to the extent that we have here.

 

Way to go, SCOTUS. Just as Congress began to take some incipient baby steps forward, along comes Clarence Thomas and the Retrumplican Supremes to take a giant leap backward for mankind in NYSRPA v. Bruen. We're supposed to go by "traditional" standards. Wouldn't tht that mean muskets?

But we don't have facilities large enough to house the entire Retrumplican Party, along with the NRA and a majority of the Supreme Court.

I wouldn't count on it. The consequences of idolatry are not pretty, and hell is something humans do to themselves. I think it's metaphorical If we wanted to express the consequences of laws of science metaphorically, what would gravity say: If thou jumpest off the top of the Empire State Building, thou shalt make a big splash on Broadway! What a mean cuss that Gravity is! Mark my words, There'll be hell to pay for this decision.! (Renind me not to take the NY subway).

 

But not nearly on the same scale as the U.S.----31 percent of the world's total, with 4.25 % of the world's population. Comparing U.S. mass shootings to the rest of the world Research for 2000 to 2014, analyzing data from 11 advanced nations, found that in the the 10 other countries combined, there were 23 mass shootings, which left 200 dead and 231 wounded. In the United States over the same period, the research pointed to 133 incidents, which left 487 dead and 505 wounded. Why Does the U.S. Have So Many Mass Shootings? Research Is Clear: Guns. (Published 2017)
Gun violence deaths: how the U.S. compares with the rest of the world 2022 study by Jason Silva found that the US accounts for 73 percent of 139 mass shootings that occurred in developed countries between 1998 to 2019. Global mass shootings: comparing the United States against developed and developing countries.
The study also found that 62 percent of all 1,318 fatalities from mass shootings during the period happened in the US. A 2018 study from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, a global research center at the University of Washington, found that America’s gun homicide rate was more than double the average for all countries. Americans are significantly more likely to die by gun: 11.1 out of every 100,000 Americans were killed by firearms in 2019. That’s more than triple the global rate of 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019. That was more than than 8 times as high as the rate in Canada, which had 0.47 deaths per 100,000. Exactly How High Are Gun Violence Rates in the U.S., Compared to Other Countries?
Firearms have become one of the leading causes of death for Americans of any age, and, according to the Giffords Law Center,

 

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-843_7j80.pdf

The constitutional right to bear arms in public for self-defense is not 'a second-class right, subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees,'" Thomas wrote in the opinion joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett.

SUPREME COURT RULES NEW YORK'S STRICT CONCEALED CARRY LAW IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Thomas added that there is "no other constitutional right" that requires a person to demonstrate some sort of special need to government officers in order to obtain a concealed carry permit.

"That is not how the First Amendment works when it comes to unpopular speech or the free exercise of religion. It is not how the Sixth Amendment works when it comes to a defendant's right to confront the witnesses against him. And it is not how the Second Amendment works when it comes to public carry for self-defense," Thomas said.