The Ukraine Crisis Part 1 The initial Battles

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    WARNING WARNING random conspiracy theory ahead, So reading about how poorly Russia is doing are they really that bad/dumb etc or is this all some sort of ploy to distract from something else? what I have no idea, I truly find it hard to believe that the full force of the Russian army is doing so poorly
     
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    Yeah, I am having a hard time believing them fucking up like this, I mean, they are fighting just Nazis and all.....and old women and kids....
     
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    They didn't do very well in other countries they have invaded.
     
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    Reports say the Russian army lacks fighting spirit in the invasion, many don't believe in what they're fighting for. And the Ukrainians who stay behind are fighting them tooth and nail. So Russia resorts to destroying towns with bombs and missiles and then moves in to mop it up, but the Ukrainians fight them from the rubble.

    When this is over, will Russia take responsibility for rebuilding Ukraine? I doubt it.
     
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    I watched Schwarzenegger's video from start to finish. Bravo Terminator. At first I thought it was going to be a mostly useless "wake up! you're being lied to!" rant which all sides hurl at each other. But Arnie's video was brilliantly scripted and spoken from the heart. He reels you in with the story of his childhood idol, a Russian who inspired him to become great. I would hope that any Russian still watching at this point would keep watching.

    Next Arnie talks about his own father who was a puppet of the Nazis and sent to invade Russia, and how his father came back broken and ashamed when it dawned on him how he had been so wrong. Then, only at the end does Arnie say what we've all been waiting for, that Putin is lying. But it holds so much more weight because Arnie showed us the other side first.

    I hope that vid makes it to the Russian people (lol even if Fox News is broadcasting it, sure why not). I keep wondering if 21st century society is strong enough to withstand our grandfathers' propaganda tricks, because now we have freedom to find our own information. Uh... Trump's reign of terror kinda slapped my optimism back to the dark ages, but let's try it again. Arnie's message was really inspiring. If you'll excuse me ima go watch Kindergarten Cop now.
     
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    Is that a legitimate question, not a snowballs chance in florida
     
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    I saw a report, this morning, that said the Russians have lost 7,000 troops( some say that is a conservative number). In ten years in Afghanistan, the Russians lost 15,000 troops.
     
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    "here, let's all travel with big slow vehicles in a big 40 mile long line wide open to being seen by satellites and drones and forget to bring extra gas and food and ammo"
     
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    Don't forget those farmers with their tractors... They like to steal tanks.
     
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    Nyet.
     
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  13. Captain Scarlet

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    Believe it or not it is doing badly .

    1) The losses in material is high. Over 1000 armoured vehicles including tanks

    2) Over 12000 losses in troops

    3) The 4th Major General has been lost . These should not be any where near the front lines normally unless things are going badly

    4) Failed to get air supremacy. According to Western sources 50% of the Ukrainian Airforce concentrated now in the West is still intact.

    5) Resorting to sporadic attacks on civilian buildings

    6) Very few objectives achieved

    7) Running out of food and supplies as they have over stretched their supply lines

    8) Helicopters taking heavy losses

    9) Putin open to peace talks . He wouldnt be open to this if things were going well .

    10) Reports of attacks stalling

    11) Ukrainian counter attacks

    In military terms this has been a disaster so far . :)

    On saying that it is a fluid situation and if Ukraine doesnt get the weapons it needs this can be reversed . So watch this space
     
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    Agreed . Got kicked out of Afghanistan for example
     
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    It appears that the US via Nato have agreed that the Ukrainians are to be supplied with Estonian Soviet built S300 anti Aircraft Missile Systems .

    Not as good as the USA Patriot but will be very useful as it will give the Ukrainians more longer range Ground to Air missiles to augment the short range Stingers supplied by the USA .

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    A documented list of destroyed,knocked out or captured Russian vehicles .

    Its 3 days old .

     
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    19th March Intelligence briefing .

    With the use of aircraft launched missiles ,the Ukrainians are desperate for receipt of long range Anti Aircraft Systems . Once they have these and in numbers I am convinced this war can be reversed and the Russians pushed out saving many lives. The West needs to do more than just talk at meetings ,some of it I am sure for their own PR . The Ukrainians needs action not words . Yes I am getting frustrated by the situation we have as I can see a lame duck of a very low morale invasion army .Now is the time .

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    This is why the Ukrainians need longer range Anti Aircraft Missile Systems ,to take out the aircraft firing Hypersonic Missiles these which are targeting civilian buildings . Whilst the missiles themselves are travelling to fast to be intercepted by any anti Aircraft systems the Ukrainians are likely to receive but importantly the aircraft are not.

    The West dont have a defence against these as yet nor do they have a developed missile equivalent . China is the only the country I know of that have these .

    Ukraine sources have not confirmed its use against a warehouse and so this could yet be Putin Propaganda

    Hypersonic Missile carried and will be launched from a MIG 31
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  20. Captain Scarlet

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    Stop just talking and get on with it .

    Where are these Starstreak Anti Aircraft missiles you keep harping on about .

    They were mentioned 2 weeks ago and again today . Deliver what your are saying please

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