What’s needed to stop an American dictatorship?

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  1. Tishomingo

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    All of them?
     
  2. stormountainman

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    Notice he is interested in looting just like Trump.
     
  3. stormountainman

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    Notice he spells like he went to school in Europe.
     
  4. newo

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    Now Trump wants Fox News to fire their national security correspondent, Jennifer Griffin, who confirmed in a Twitter thread that Trump called soldiers "losers " and “suckers”, had questioned why anyone would want to become a soldier and had not wanted to honor war dead at the Aisne-Marne cemetery in France.

    There must be a lot of veterans among the Trump supporters, how can they not turn against him now?

    Also it seems Fox News, which has supported him all along, is turning against him more and more. Without Fox I don't see how Trump can win, but I'll believe it when he's out of the White House.
     
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  6. srgreene

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    That cretin Balbus can make outrageous claims about people's intentions based on no evidence, merely his own imagination. Quite repulsive- he has no idea what you want or whether or not you have "vision" or empathy.
     
  7. unfocusedanakin

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    What you quoted says empathy is bad. This is the standard GOP view. It's wrong to try to help others. It makes them lazy and really it just means you are a bad person who wants to make others feel bad for not being a sucker like them.

    You in the GOP don't pay welfare and don't trust the goverment. People need to handle their own shit. Do you disagree? Republicans have no morals or compassion and the fact the world does angers them to no end. They will never see who the wrong person is.
     
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  8. Balbus

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    Sorry again you’re not making any sense

    I explained why you views didn’t make sense, rationally reasonably or logically – you have repeated refused to address those outstanding criticisms because you are clearly ill informed and unprepared for rational debate.

    If you cannot defend your ideas from criticism why do you hold them?
     
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  9. Balbus

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    Tish

    As you point out if you actually look at the historical records there never was a time when private charity was good at tackling the problems of the disadvantaged and it was also often corrupt, patchy, as well as been ethnically, religiously and politically discriminatory.

    The idea is promoted by those that would be advantaged from it which would be the wealthiest, (remember that in multiple studies have shown that as a proportion of wealth the poorer actually give more to charity than do the wealthy). Also wealth sponsored propaganda also spread the idea of the ‘deserving and undeserving’ poor (The deserving being those that don’t ask for help and so don’t need any. And the undeserving being those who do ask for help thereby showing that they are scroungers and wasters who don’t deserve any help).

    Also it not always about direct giving but having regulations and systems in place that are targeted with helping, like laws that make sure where people live are decent and healthy with authorities charged with making sure those standards are complied with. Or making sure that money goes to where it is needed, for example a person in place A (a comfortable suburb) might see little reason to give to charity as they see little hardship but only a few miles away is place B that does need help.

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    I’d also repeat the thing about taxation are these evangelicals and right wing libertarians’ anarchists that are opposed to any and all taxation?

    In my experience they are not and that the ‘small government’ ideas they push are basically self-servicing in that they are willing to pay taxation that protects their interests (usually property) they just don’t want to help others.

    But as I (and others) have shown public money has vastly improved society through the funding of innovations and social infrastructure – including education – so I can’t understand why they would be opposed to that as it is also in there self-interest to do so.
     
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  11. Balbus

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    srgreene

    LOL – I base it on what people say and don’t say – like yourself, you make statements that imply your views and when asked to clarify you refuse to do so which seems to confirm those implications.

    Who is more of a cretin -the person like yourself you is unable to defend your views from criticism or me who can and repeatedly does.
     
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  12. Balbus

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    But it has happen until neoliberal policies put that trend in to reverse.

    Social programmes and public spending have repeated raised people’s quality of life.

    Also public works are about spreading the benefits of prosperity, infrastructure does not just help businesses but also families and individuals. For example sewage system have done a great deal to improve the lives of people in 1950’s America (some 50% in rural areas) had no plumbing or flushing toilets while today only a few go without those things.

    Where is the evidence for this? Even in places were the benefit system is much more generous than in the US few people want to be on them.

    Right wing propaganda promotes the idea of a burgeoning entitlement class because those sponsoring it want to cut taxes that would benifit themselves.

    Why can’t you see how you are been manipulated?

    Dispelling the Myth of Welfare Dependency | Harvard Evidence for Policy Design

    Again its more wealth sponsored propaganda - the thing is many of those that receive public assistance are also working, because they are not paid enough.
     
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  13. Balbus

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    It’s clear from looking at these pages is that what is needed to counter the possibility of an American dictatorship is that right wing propaganda needs to be countered – there are many on the right that seemingly cannot think for themselves or see just how manipulated they are – they pass on and promote ideas and views they cannot even defend from criticism so thorough has been their brainwashing.
     
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    You can produce actual facts all day long and they still won't believe you...
     
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  15. Balbus

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    Which I think is dangerous as it makes these people easy to manipulate and bamboozle.

    I suppose the question we have to ask, so as to tackle the cause of this, is - what is it about American society that has produced such irrational and unquestioning people?
     
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    The misconstrued notion that "muh freedoms" means "I can do whatever the fuck I want"...
     
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    These ALONE are reason to vote against them. All the claims by Rump and THE REPUBLICAN PARTY about being "pro Constitution" fall empty to the ground when one views their attempts to eliminate ALL political competition. Their attempts to consolidate power and eradicate any opposition are BLATANT!!!! The outright refusal by muck-mouth MOSCOW MITCH McCONNELL to even give Merrick Garland a Senate hearing has NEVER been done before in our nation's history !!! And the excuse given was ........."The next president should be the one to pick a Supreme Court nominee." And this was when Obama had about 10 months left in his second term!!!!! Plenty of time to hold a hearing in the Senate - but not with C-O-R-R-U-P-T, morally corroded, CONSTITUTION - IGNORING MOSCOW MITCH rejecting a Constitutionally guaranteed right of any President to name Supreme Court nominees - and have Congressional hearings to confirm or deny them. Moscow Mitch wouldn't even allow a hearing for Garland. Unprecedented in U.S. history.

    These other actions and words are E-X-A-C-T-L-Y what has happened in other dictatorships around the world. CAN NO ONE SEE THE PARALLELS???? Where are all the supposed - supporters of the U.S. Constitution??? Or do you actually NOT KNOW what the Constitution spells out, establishes ............... and also PREVENTS??? ( a dictatorship - a one-person rule, or a one party rule with no checks or balances to keep them reined in. )

    The way some of these "constitution - screamers" talk .................. it's very evident they DO NOT KNOW what's in the Constitution.
     
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  19. erofant

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    This AGAIN ............ is a violation of the Constitution !!!!!!! The ONLY authority to appropriate funds is the U.S. House of Representatives. NOT ANY PRESIDENT ...............of any political party!!!!!!!!

    These idiots who scream "Constitution" all the time don't even know what the founders set up. This is why I say many people in the U.S. are S-T-U-P-I-D. There is no polite word for it. They paid no attention while in school. They think they know - but they DO NOT KNOW. They hear some political puppet-hack yelling something and suck it right down without knowing the REAL FACTS. Maybe they ought to go take a night class on U.S. government and learn what the Constitution actually says and what it DOES.
     
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    Share this with your buddies with my compliments ....

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