Federal troops in Portland

Trump's re-election strategy is that crime and violence are out of control in America, and he's fixing it! Of course, he's not doing anything about actual violence in cities committed by gangs and thugs; he's just going after protesters and inciting violence--solely for the video clips for his political commercials.

 

Remember back when a small group of angry right wingers took over a small federal building out in the desert, then the left panicked for weeks and demanded the feds go in with guns and arrest everyone by force?

Those were the days! Boy I tell you what

But a bunch of angry left wingers taking over urban federal courthouses I’m major cities? No that’s totally peaceful and shit

 

It's Republican economic logic ... say very little as possible?

 

You fail to make sense again

 

Let's stop with the pretense, do you feel empowered?

 

The white supremacists have been calling for a racial war for years. Read up on Robert Matthews, Ben Davis & 211 Crew, and that Jackass of Jackman Maine who was Trump's campaign manager in New Hampshire.

 

I think they want a civil war.

 

Interesting that you give cops the benefit of the doubt and not protestors

For cops no matter how much evidence comes out of bad seeds they are exceptions to the rule. ANY evidence of violent protesters (of which most is Boogalo boys anyway) come out and they are the entire rule. Right wing hypocracy once again shown.

 

In your example when police had guns pointed at them with a clear verbal warning they were about to be shot at the cops did not shoot back. They were actuly occupying federal land too if I am not mistaken which was the issue. Farmers felt they were entitled to someone else's property so they took it over with guns.

Who is occupying land that is not theirs now? It's going on in public streets. Even police stations are public despite what the police argue they are not a private residence they are the employee of the people. Burning it down is not the best solution but it is our building to destroy if we wish.

Portland is not a hostage situation. The locals and mayor say nothing is wrong and that is what upsetting to the right wing. They must be part of the problem too. No one is being taken hostage no one is pointing an assault riffle at cops. They are gathering in large numbers and demanding racial justice. Not really the same thing.

 

Anyone actually give a shit about this?

Because I haven't seen a single story about Portland on CNNs front page in like a week now

 

It's certainly made the news on the other side of the Atlantic. Europeans are kind of sensitive to the Nazi thing. Trump is looking like an orange Hitler. Secret police, replacing the Jew with the Muslim, each claim socialism wants to destroy the world.

 

I have CNN on most of the day and have seen plenty of of coverage on it. You must live in some other far away country?

 

No. It takes two to tango! Heavy law enforcement by unwanted federal stormtroopers will make the situation worse. Those "libertarians" who balk at mandatory face masks and rail against federal interference with states rights should be ashamed of themselves backing such a blatant overstepping of constitutional boundaries.

 

Has a bunch of angry left wingers taken over a single urban federal courthouse in a major city in the U.S. ? I don't know of any. They seem to be trying in Portland, and that's not good, but let's not exaggerate and pluralize what seems to be a singular situation in a unique locality. The addition of Trump's stormtroopers to the mix doesn't seem to be helping. To those of us in the flyover states watching this spectacle from a distance, it looks like something from a StarWars movie, or Aliens versus Predators. What we have here is what is called in the vernacular (at the risk of political incorrectness) a "Mexican standoff"--"a confrontation in which no strategy exists that allows either party to achieve victory". Concise Dictionary of English Combined (Idioms, Phrases, Proverbs, Similes) 2015.V&S Publishers. p. 94.; Dealing with Dilemmas Neither the protestors nor the federales can back down at this point without losing face, and neither seems to have any secondary thing the other wants as a basis for compromise. Neither side wants to be cast in the bad guy role, and have the public turn against them, which (whether they know it or not) would surely happen if either were to prevail by excessive force. The game theoretic solution is "super rationality": the players look beyond the game and walk away, because they realize the game is to no one's advantage. Given the nature of Trump and the Portland radicals, I doubt that it will end that way.

I know you don't think much of psychiatry and the concept of mental illness, but these people (Trump and the Portland demonstrators) don't seem to be playing with a full deck. What is the demonstrators' objective? For the lunatic fringe, to invade the federal courthouse, I know, but where would that get them if successful? I have the feeling they think the U.S. is on the verge of a proletarian revolution, and something like that will provide the spark to set it all off. If that's what they're thinking, they must be living on Fantasy Island. As I've said before, the fact that Biden instead of Bernie is the Democrat nominee tells us something about the state of revolutionary sentiment in this country. As for Trump, I think he's over-estimating the extent of anxiety about law and order in this country, and underestimating the negative effect his federal goon squad will have on public opinion--especially given the years of conditioning of his base to resent federal involvement in state and local affairs.

 

Why reject the symbol? Why not save it from evil?

When you let hate groups take a symbol, you let them win.

 

Not a white supremacist so no

 

Occupying and looting corner stores is an act of violating the property of others. This is what’s going on in these cities.

By your logic, if it’s within the rioters’ rights to occupy and raid a police station because it’s public property. Then it was also within the ranchers’ rights to take over a publicly owned Bureau of Land Management office too.

 

I think It’s gonna work out in Trump’s favor in the long run. Many people from Portland and Seattle want the riots to stop. But the mayors, governors, and senators have ordered police to stand down. So Trump plays 4D chess by sending federal law enforcement there to help the situation. Of course they are gonna protest the National Guard presence and order they leave. Either way these democrats are gonna look bad by protecting rioters from the law. And they look really horrible by allowing mass gatherings such as riots and “peaceful protests” (lol) during a pandemic.

How fucking entitled does one have to be to believe they have a right to destroy public and private property and demand legal immunity anyway?