Federal troops in Portland

That's not true. You can be detained but not arrested.

Again, not true. You have to be questioned in order for your rights to be read. An officer can arrest you, book you, and hold you without ever reading your Miranda rights. It's only when he questions you on details relating to the crime you're suspected of committing that Miranda must be read.

Good luck trying to argue that in court.

Just because a suit is filed doesn't mean it has any grounds.

 

Of course, they can always say that. To keep them from getting away with it, you'll need a good lawyer. And if their objective isn't to prosecute but just to disrupt a demonstration by abducting the ringleaders temporarily, challenging them will be harder. Let's hope the ACLU and the State of Oregon can pull it off!

 

An arrest is a decision to take a person into custody with the intention of transporting him/her to the station house to press charges. A stop can be done short of that, but it involves a brief detention for investigatory purposes and requires reasonable suspicion. Custody is a reasonable perception that one is not free to leave, which can be a matter of a "coercive and compelling atmosphere," Orozco v. Texas (1969). In the case cited, this occurred in the suspect's own bedroom. So custody can occur during a stop.

 

You and egger, make sure you both fit in as many negative opinion pieces that you both can about sending Fed troops into Chicago
Until it starts achieving results and dropping the crime rate

 

Or hell freezes over, whichever is sooner.

 

That sounds like an emotional reaction

 

Oh, no. It's a realistic one. How long do you think Trump's stormtroopers will be able to get away with gassing people and abducting random protesters before it becomes obvious that they aren't there just to protect federal property? And do you really think Trump's miniond are there to restore order, as opposed to getting photo ops for ads about how they're restoring order? They're lawless and causing disorder! As for "dropping the crime rate", you realize I hope that they have no authority to act as a general police force. They can only act to protect federal property and personnel, and crimes against those are a drop in the bucket! Conceivably, he could invoke the authority of the 1807 Insurrection Act, but declaring an insurrection on the eve of the election would be a risky move politically. He's going to declare an insurrection in Chicago because there's crime there? There's been crime in Chicago for as long as anyone here can remember. I don't know how it looks from Australia, but I don't think the American electorate feels so threatened by the protests so far that there's much appetite for this.

The protests were petering out until Trump sent in his forces. Then the protesters began to multiply, their ranks swollen by folks looking for excitement.
Portland protests grow larger after President Trump sends feds in
How Trump’s Use of Federal Forces in Cities Differs From Past Presidents
Portland's anti-racism protesters defy US federal agents | DW | 22.07.2020
Trump's high handed over-reaction is unlikely to play well with voters who will increasingly see it as Trump's Reichstag fire.

 

No, I am not conflicting issues. How many do you think have been arrested?
Tell me why the federal buildings were broken into and fires were set within them, in Portland? You don’t think feds have the right to protect the property they are in and working in? Protect themselves? They own and maintain the property, the federal government does, they further own and maintain the roads in and around federal buildings. Do you think if someone is smashing windows and shooting high grade firework explosives at you that you are in danger? They could have opened fire, but no, they got the crowd to step away from the building. Arrested one individual who did such an act. Is this what you call peaceful protesting? Chaz chop Seattle was shut down only when the Mayors house became a target. She took action, but didn’t care about the people living in seattle peacefully when their homes and businesses were destroyed. They simply moved on to Portland. Aren’t these riots all connected? All for BLM! For the same reason or is it something else?

have you seen the video of ted wheeler joining protesters and having people pushing, shoving and throwing things at him? Did you see the relief on his face as he went inside and crowds were pushed back? You do realize Portland has been declared a riot, not a peaceful protest by city officials? Do you know how much the crime rate has increased in the last 50 days?

 

Bloomberg. Lol. Since when are lawyers honest? Since when is simply using Harvard professor as a reason to blindly believe him? You understand that Harvard has turned into a far left leaning school?
You understand that Harvard professors have been arrested for colluding with the Chinese government and promoting Chinese schools, and Offers programS aimed at furthering that country’s scientific development, economic prosperity and Chinas nation security? A country which is running concentration camps... cool huh? He is a Harvard chemistry professor and that means he is the honest and good guy?

 

Since the crime rate in Chicago recently spiked, anyrhing, even just the mere passage of time will likely produce results.

It will probably work, will look like the crime rate dropped after he sent Fed troops in

 

you know, vandalizism, smashing and burning isn’t even being put on the books as a crime. The white woman found dead who was killed by one of these peaceful protesters, arrested and released 5 days earlier for violence during riots. Stabbed to death and her Hispanic boyfriend died too. Just 18 years old. Or the 63 year old black man killed, stomped on to death by these peaceful protesters. Or the assaults on anyone walking through the area who is not a part of the mob.... gets beaten. Yeah, peaceful protests, so let’s soften it as papers are doing.... violent demonstration perhaps? Riots that begin at sunset and continue until day break. The looting, smash and grab, the burning, etc... sorry but if someone fired a high grade firework At you, you could die, be killed or seriously injured. This is not a protest.
This is lead by BLM. One assault video showed one peaceful protester brandishing a gun. Cool huh?

so head on out to Portland and show your support!

but let’s ignore Obama arresting Clive buddy and seizing 500 of his cattle for them grazing on federal property, putting him in solitary confinement for a longtime.... and Call foul when federal police protectIng federal buildings that have been breached and have been set on fire, Call foul when they make an arrest of an individual seen setting the fire within. Cool.

 

That First Nation status is what I suspect.

 

That's what I've been saying too!

 

I wasn't attacking you on the personal level. Amon Bundy and his brother and his father took USDA loans totaling over a million and a half or more and did not pay the money back. They also claim they have a right to graze on public land (BLM Land and National Forest Land) without paying fees. That's a legal problem because the rest of us have to pay fees where required.

I also wish to address the "sovereign citizen" fallacy. In America we don't have sovereign citizens. A sovereign is someone like the queen of Britain, the King of Belgium, or the King of Saudi Arabia. In a country with a sovereign royal, the people are subjects of the King. A subject belongs to the King. The King has total control and authority of the sovereign funds of the nation and all its public lands. In a nation where people are citizens, the people are partners in the ownership of the nation and get to vote on matters concerning the direction of the nation. That's the Democratic process: People vote! And in a direct Democracy the people vote directly on ALL MATTERS. In a Republic the voters vote for Representatives who then go to the seat of government and vote on the nation's matters on behalf of the voters.

This is also a good time to point out that when we like in a Republic, it does not logically follow that we should all join the Republican Party and start thumping Bibles.

In the white supremacist scene, the militia scene and the Fully Informed Jury Scene back about thirty years ago; the guys started to explore the idea of a sovereign citizen as it related to their misconceptions about the right to keep and bear arms. They soon found out that we have a constitution and it clearly says Titles of Nobility are not allowed in America.

 

So when would you white supremacists allow the arrested person who you don't question to see a lawyer?

 

You Trump supporters care about 2000 deaths in Chicago but not about 149000 deaths caused by Coronavirus? Your law and order False Front won't cut the mustard. It's just a re-election ploy and will fail. In America the county sheriff has the highest authority to prosecute crimes, not the federal government storm troopers. The United States Military and or the federal agents cannot prosecute someone in a county court. They can prosecute some one in a federal court if they have committed a crime on federal property like a national monument, or a federal bird sanctuary like the white supremacists did in Oregon. At that last scenario, we know Trump would likely issue another pardon, because it is a federal matter, not a state matter. If the marchers of Portland or the gangs of Chicago get arrested and charged, under OUR laws they must be prosecuted in a local county court, and be afforded a lawyer. The lawyer part your pal Trump should understand since he uses them so often to delay his legal matters.

 

It's a waste of time to argue with an ignoramus. I give you the opinion of a respected Harvard law professor and you ask "since when are lawyers honest"? You'd rather have a non-lawyer's opinion on the law, I guess. You dismiss the Harvard law School as "a far left leaning school'. Not so. It's probably the most respected law school in the country, and less ideological than its main rival Yale. To someone on the semi-literate extreme right like yourself, most of the educated world looks leftist. I 'm not quoting the professor so that you cam "blindly believe him" but so you can consider what he says in light of what you'll find in the law books, if you can read them. Do you think he's making up the statement that the stormtroopers Trump has sent in have no authority to enforce state and local law?
I'll leave it to readers to decide whether they think the fact that a science professor being arrested for covering up Chinese ties has any bearing on the credibility of a law professor at the same institution. The Harvard Law School is a semi-autonomous entity. Have you finished eighth grade?

To morons. Wait and see how it goes. The implication of what you're saying is that rightwingers of Trump's base think we need more federal involvement in our affairs to combat crime. A new federal paramilitary unit along with the FBI and ATF should, I'm sure, go over well with anti-guvm'nt right. I'm hoping and praying that Trump sends his stormtroopers to Chicago to combat crime. What will they be arresting people for? Robbery? Drive by killings? Things the federal government has no jurisdiction over? I's one think to send the to Portland ostensibly to guard fedeal buildings. It's quite another to use them for general law enforcement duties. To so that, the President would have to invoke the Insurrection Act. Does anybody think there's an insurrection in Chicago? The public outcry against that will be HUGE!
Legal analysis: Is Trump stretching the law to deploy federal police power in cities?
Is it legal to send federal forces into US states?

 

It will be huge will it?


......or.....

...the majority of the voting American public will just think, meh, nothing else has worked for decades, let's give this a go, see what happens

 

Professor Noah Feldman. Lol. He works for Bloomberg papers. Is antI trump and talks out of his ass.
So yeah, all they have to do, and all they do is get a lawyers opinion as a Harvard law professor, by walking into his office or calling him up... to attempt to sway people’s opinion to align with their own extremely left views Harvard Professor who works for Bloomberg.

oh and nNoah Feldman was also the first speaker against trump in the impeachment hearings.

And this is the Harvard professor people are suppose to believe?

and we all know how that went.



isn’t Obama facing criminal charges because of this witch hunt? Or is it coming?

so yeah, let’s read Harvard law professor and say, oh, let’s blindly believe him. He is from Harvard And a professor after all. He wrote a book called “What We Owe Iraq”