Socialism Is The Future

Discussion in 'Socialism' started by unfocusedanakin, Jul 15, 2017.

  1. Vladimir Illich

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    Absolutely !!! - he wrote many interesting little books, a grat many of which I have read - a very interesting and learned man.
     
  2. Rehab44

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    And of course you believed everything, he didn’t murder millions, didn’t starve millions :tongueout: I like you, you are gullible..now..I have a small bridge in London which I can offer you at a good price ..interested?
     
  3. 6-eyed shaman

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    Communism was widely supported until it got bad results
    National Socialism was widely supported until it got bad results.
    History will repeat itself with Democratic Socialism.
     
  4. Rehab44

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    Ipso facto socialism doesn’t work.
     
  5. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    These guys should watch this:



    They're really not about learning though.
     
  6. Balbus

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    As right wingers never seem to get there are many forms of ‘socialism’ as there are with ‘capitalism’ and there have plenty of places that the US has hailed as been anti-communists and capitalist that have been bloody handed authoritarian regimes and dictatorships. Some forms of capitalism have caused the death of millions other have failed bringing bout financial crashes, depressions and again the death of many. Many forms of capitalism favour the interests of the few to the detriment of the rest.

    It was those failures that caused the rise of ‘socialist’ ideas Socialism put forward ideas and suggestions for creating a better society there were revolutionary and violent socialist that wanted to impose such ideas but many other lefties that took note of them and adapted them and pushed for them to one degree and another in their democratic societies.

    For example if you look at the 10 ideas put forward in Marx and Engels Communist Manifesto many have been adopted to one degree or another in many countries around the world (including the US) but are not thought these days to be socialist or communist. Such things as progressive taxation and publically funded education, forms of inheritance tax and the regulation of banking and markets and even nationalisations are common now and accepted as normal.

    Basically some types of capitalism 'failed' and needed reforming and many of the ideas that reformed such systems came from socialist ideas.
     
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  7. Balbus

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    Think is that left wingers even Marxists and Leninists want to create a better future, I’m not sure communism can do that but at least they have the vision the desire.

    But many right wingers as shown in these forums don’t seem to have any vision for a better future.

    All they seem to do is bitch and moan and hate – it seems to me that right wing views do not seem like a philosophy that even attracts people that want to build a better future.
     
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  8. Rehab44

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    I give you Venezuela a socialist paradise with the largest untapped oil deposits on the planet...hyper inflation, a collapse of medical services, poverty and crime....socialists can’t organise a piss up in a brewery
     
  9. stormountainman

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    Trump's Social Darwinism fans suffer from irrational slippery slope assumptions.
     
  10. stormountainman

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    I think all right wing extremists who follow in the steps of Reagan and Trump are white supremacists.
     
  11. stormountainman

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    I think they say that sort of stuff because you white people have jailed or killed half of their fathers. White Americans have never allowed Black people to have traditional western style families. You sold their new born babies into slavery at another plantation soon after birth. You separated the Black families just like Trump separates the Hispanic families at the border.
     
  12. stormountainman

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    Of course the Republican Party is racist ...
     
  13. stormountainman

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    It's not the world's most successful country.
     
  14. stormountainman

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    You are not visiting the correct BLM website. You are visiting a Republican fake which had been set up to justify political attacks on BLM.
     
  15. stormountainman

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    I think America is repressive. If you don't believe me just as an Indian at Standing Rock or at Pine Ridge.
     
  16. stormountainman

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    The goal of the Republican Party is segregation and racism.
     
  17. stormountainman

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    Republicanism is racism under the veil of capitalism.
     
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  18. stormountainman

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    Sounds like you know your self well enough, huh?
     
  19. Balbus

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    Thing is that I as a leftie I have been very critical of the leadership in Venezuela, I was of Chavez at the beginning

    A demagogue plays to a base be it Trump or Chavez they manipulate and they direct – it is never good for the country in which it takes place because it is extremely divisive.

    Given the context of Venezuelan socio-economic history it’s not surprising that the leadership claimed to be socialist and given the context of US socio-economic history I’m not surprised Trump has collect the base he has.

    To me neither was working for the interests of that base or the country their concern was themselves and holding onto power.
     
  20. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Goals are for losers. Systems are where it's at. Systems which carry us in the desired direction.

    Think? Sorry, there's no evidence of thought in that ignorant opinion. You're just proving yourself a bigot with no thought to it at all.
     

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