Racism

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  1. Tishomingo

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    Same to you, buddy. You're obviously thoroughly indoctrinated in the ideology and pseudo-scientific crapola spun out every day by the likes of Jared Taylor. You're a true believer in the secular religion of white Euro-nationalism, a Russian-supported ideology that threatens to destroy both Europe and the United States in our lifetime. It's futile to argue with you people--armed as you are with "studies" cranked out daily by outfits like American Renaissance. You'll have to learn the hard way.
     
  2. hotwater

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    You’re a racist POS but let’s ignore that for a moment.

    Let’s conclude that the data is sound. Nowhere does the study address why it investigated racial differences in IQ.
    By never spelling out a reason the author(s) suggests; race is a helpful indicator as to whether a person is likely to hold certain capabilities.

    i.e. the net effect is to tacitly condone the prejudgment of individuals based on race.


    There’s a term for that which describes both you and the authors,.......... btw the moment has ended.
     
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  3. Tishomingo

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    Yet you believe African-Americans are genetically prone to criminality. In practice, it's impossible to hold such views, extoll white nationalism, and embrace pseudo-science purporting to demonstrate the genetic criminality and mental inferiority of blacks without having negative attitudes toward them--i.e., without being a racist or promoting racism. You're deceiving yourself.
    It's commendable that you find that some of the nicest people you "have met are of other races" and that you "respect them wholeheartedly", but the groups you draw on as sources of information are promoting the stereotypes that blacks tend to be ignorant and violent. When you ascribe such characteristics to broad categories of people, assume that they're permanent and place the burden on them to prove otherwise, you're contributing to a mindset that inevitably leads to conflict and injustice.

    You don't need to live with people with whom you find little in common, but to be so focused on it seems odd. I happen to live in a community full of white racists, including virulent Anti-Semites who would panic if they heard a Jew was moving into the neighborhood. When they encounter strangers they're not sure about, they try to size them up to determine whether or not they might be Jewish. Some pride themselves in their ability to spot 'em a mile away, by mannerisms if not by noses. And if they determine that the suspect is indeed a Jew that's a big strike against them. However much you want to live in a majority white community, you'd better not move into ours as far as these dudes are concerned, cuz you're just not one of them. Everybody knows you Jews have no morals, are unscrupulous, pushy, clannish cheats, and are secretly running the ZOG (Zionist Occupation Government) for your own benefit. Where do they get such ideas? From sources similar to the ones you rely on for your information about African-Americans. You may think you're a "European", but to them you are and always will be, a Jew.

    The thrust of being preoccupied with systematically, obsessively searching for difference as something to be avoided in the interest of purity, as you seem to be doing, is to blind yourself to the beauty of diversity. I'm glad you've been able to get beyond that occasionally and enjoy "some of the nicest people" you've met. But the racialism pulls in the opposite direction, and you're supporting a movement that is notorious for not making such fine distinctions. Having been down this path before, it's sad to see good, well-meaning people like yourself being sucked in again. Some six million Jews died in the Holocaust (or do you deny that too?) Some of them were highly assimilated into German culture and thought of themselves as good Germans. The Germans disagreed, and had "scientific" studies to prove it.
     
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    Where do you live where there's that much hatred of Jews? In the U.S. or is that in Europe somewhere?
     
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    "When Aishah challenged the barista about the note on the side, she claimed she didn’t hear her name properly.

    The manager allegedly sided with the barista.

    “I felt humiliated and I felt enraged,” Aishah said."

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    Coffee shop accused of Islamophobia
     
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  6. phil1965

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    The point made about churches is a very good one and does have proven scientific basis, some years ago there was a study done by an eminent person and he concluded that the act of finding ones own group is built in to the human psyche, it's almost an instinct and I believe this may be part of the reason why so called multicultural integration will never work it is fundamentally unsound and ignores a natural human 'herd' instinct.
    Ever since the dawn of time animals have lived in packs for safety, the bigger the pack the safer you are, humans are no different either, we are just another animal species.This dream of an ideal world where we will have lets say a street with a white family living next door to an asian family then a Chinese family, a black family, possibly a jew, a muslim, a gay or a lesbian, it's all unworkable nonsense, our inbuilt sense of preservation sees to that.
    There were several studies done, take a medical conference for example, this was where one study was conducted, a wide range of medical professionals attended a conference, there were hundreds of them in a large room, over a period it was observed that they had split off into little groups, in one corner we had psychologists, in another gynaecologists, the pathologists had there little group and so it went on, these groups formed because people felt more comfortable among their 'own kind'.
    It is the same with any people, put a mix of whites and blacks together eventually they will split into two groups, they feel safer with their own, religions are no different, look at one a little closer to home, we have all been to a wedding I'm sure, now we all get introduced to each other and we will chat a little, introduce ourselves, but by the end of the night it's not uncommon to see the brides family chatting to each other in one set of groups and the grooms family in another, it isn't anything sinister, it just happens, be honest, that chap John, the brides uncle, well he seems a nice bloke doesn't he, but how long have you known him, a couple of hours? Now take uncle John, the grooms uncle, you've known him for years, met him before at christenings and funerals, you know his wife and his kids, you know you can trust him don't you!
    It's the same with clubs, in Manchester there's something called the 'gay village' an area full of pubs and clubs, now not everyone who visits is gay, (by gay I mean anyone who isn't heterosexual btw) but the majority are, they go to clubs there, indeed the whole thing was created because gay people felt safe and comfortable among their 'own kind'.
    The idea of total integration is a nice one, but it will never happen for the reasons I have outlined above and I think that the actions of some people on both sides of the equation don't help either, it is again human nature to be suspicious of anyone who is different to you, be it race, colour or religion, it again comes down to that basic human instinct of being 'safer with your own', but it doesn't help matters when people start stirring things up, be it those people who in the current climate are just anti black, or those blacks who are using the current situation to gain some kind of ground. We need to accept that not everything can be blamed on race, you cannot blame every black person for the actions of a few, that's like saying that all black people deal drugs, or shoot people, they don't, but likewise black people need to learn that to get things you have to put in some effort, you cannot just have it because you want it, you have to earn it, be that by getting qualifications, or experience, there is no short cut, it has to be done. I would like to be president of some large company with lots of money, unfortunately I don't have the skills to do this, so I have to accept it and be content with the career I have, it's just the way it is, but all this fighting and arguing serves no purpose, in fact I believe it is very damaging to the black cause. A lot of people expect blacks to be 'savages', they get by simply by stealing, killing, etc, because they don't know any better, it's how they are. Now clearly this isn't true, we have a lot of very clever black people around, the lady who died recently, the one who worked out the maths that enabled the Americans to put men in space (there was a film about her) she was black, she faced discrimination and intolerance, but overcame it, clearly she was a very intelligent person, yet sadly there is an image of blacks, ask most people about blacks, she probably won't get a mention, neither will Jesse Owens, the famous runner, people are more likely to remember black killers or rapists or robbers which is wrong, but and here's the big issue, the gangs running around the 'hood' looting stores or otherwise causing trouble are the ones who get remembered and so perpetuate the myth of the 'black savages'.
    If I could do anything then what I'd really like to do is to tell these young black kids to study, demand an education, get qualifications, put as much effort into learning as they do into fighting and PROVE to those who believe all blacks are savages who would be better off in the jungle, that they too can learn skills and become important people, hell, the USA even had a black president, if that doesn't prove how far you can go then what will!
     
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  7. Tishomingo

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    parts of Oklahoma
     
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    You don't need to engage with me, but I must correct the misimpression you give of Putnam's research.
    While he did find that in the short run diversity decreases social solidarity, as communities are confronted with "the other", he concludes: "In the long run, however, successful immigrant societies have overcome such fragmentation by creating new, cross‐cutting forms of social solidarity and more encompassing identities. Illustrations of becoming comfortable with diversity are drawn from the US military, religious institutions, and earlier waves of American immigration."
    https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x
    And he later deplored the way his findings were "twisted" by racist groups "to make the case that diversity is bad. The AAAED Blog: Harvard Sociologist Says His Research Was ‘Twisted’

    As for segregation in church, I don't think anyone would deny the fact that self-segregation is a reality--for at least three reasons: (1) neighborhood and community segregation by white flight to the suburbs; (2) cultural differences in style of worship; and (3) discomfort in being a minority in a congregation of another race. That the phenomenon is real doesn't mean its desirable. There is one African-American in a Sunday school of 15 I attend at the Methodist Church, and another one in a Bible study of 26 I attend at the Catholic Church. My wife and I are also minorities in both groups. In both cases, the African-American members are welcome, intelligent and vocal contributors, and were invited to the homes of the other members when we were still doing that before Covid-19. Wish there were more. The Bible is quite clear where God stands on the issue. Gal. 3:28.
     
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  9. soulcompromise

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    Interesting.

    I remember feeling uncomfortable that one of my old friends' wife is named that. It made me feel like I was going to get into trouble even though that's ridiculous.

    I think the misunderstanding is really easy to see here.
     
  10. Tishomingo

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    So your response to being shown to have misrepresented one study is to bring up a different study with no further explanation. We need a stable of Fact Checkers to keep up with your disinformation. Now you've shifted ground to immigration in Europe. I wouldn't need a meta-analysis to convince me that an influx of Muslims into previously homogeneous populations would cause major problems, at least in the short run. Meta analyses, though, try to combine a diversity of studies done with different methodologies--apples , oranges, and some grapefruit, watermelons and kumquats thrown in. Professor Putnam, whom you've previously cited as authoritative, insists that such problems are most likely short-run.
     
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    An eminent person? Could that be--Hitler? Seriously, the opinions of anonymous persons should cut no ice.

    As for churches, I have no doubt that left to their own devices people will follow the path of least resistance to groupings who seem most familiar to them. It is also true that over the centuries, these units have shifted from bands, villages and small tribes to nations. Who would have thought that Prussian, Bavarians and citizens of Schleswig-Holstein would ever come to think of themselves primarily as "Germans". Or that Chickasaws like myself would feel a sense of commonality with Kiowas, Cheyennes and Arapaho as "Native American", or that we all would feel a sense of overriding identity and loyalty to the United States? Scholars of Sub-Saharan Africa talk about the process of "supertribalism', in which groups that never thought of themselves as a tribe before--Ibo, Hausa, Bemba, etc. In the copperbelt of Zambia, goups that previously thought of themselves as Ushi, kazembe, Lunda, Bisa or Ngumbo now identify as Bemba in the Zambian copperbelt. Approaches to the Study of Ethnicity. - Persée The process of assimilation takes a lot of time, and has generally been in response to commerce, conquest, transportation, the adoption of universal religions, education, and exposure to the media. Slavery used to be considered "natural", and still is in some parts of the world. Women as voters or in the military and executive positions used to be considered unnatural as hell, but seem to be working out better that was commonly thought a few generations ago. Of course gays were almost synonymous with "unnatural", but again they seem to have been remarkably successful in gaining acceptance in civilized parts of the world.

    We had experience with racial segregation, both de jure and de facto, in my country. It was supposed to be "separate but equal", but of course that was a lie. Blacks were educated in shitty schools, and relegated to inner city ghettos. Those who had the money to get out were harassed by mobs. The vaunted natural athletic ability they were said to possess did them not good, since whites, preferring to play with themselves, excluded them from national sports teams.We changed that by law, and in my opinion it's worked out relatively well, although the process is far from complete. When you force one population off of their lands where they preferred to live and dump them in the middle of nowhere, and drag another bunch in chains from the lands and continent hey preferred to live in and made them slaves, you need to take a certain responsibility to make some adjustments for the damage caused. I'd be happy to take over the lands that used to be Chickasaw east of the Mississippi if the whites want to move out and live by themselves. But it's just not practical to go back.
     
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  12. Tishomingo

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    I'm sure you do, mined from the files of American Renaissance and other racialist outfits, especially when you're willing to misrepresent it. Putnam is an authority, but where he qualifies his findings in the same article and says you people are twisting it, he's a schmuck, or at least a schmendrick..
     
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    No one is forcing you to intermingle with other people, religions, or races.

    But if you’re going to live here in the good old USA you have to follow the rule of law, or go back to whatever european sinkhole of the godless
    your ancestors originally climbed out from under.
     
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    Couple charged with hate crime for allegedly vandalizing Black Lives Matter mural


    A white California couple has been charged with a hate crime after they were seen on video defacing a Black Lives Matter mural, according to a statement from the Contra Costa District Attorney's office.

    In the video, the man identified as Nelson can be heard saying, "There is no racism. It's a leftist lie," and, "No one wants Black Lives Matter here."

    Need I say: He was wearing Trump 2020 garb and yelled "Make America Great Again" ...lol...
     
  15. Vanilla Gorilla

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    I don't see how a hate crime charge is going to stick
     
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    Now its"differences of people whether that be race, religion, or culture". Earlier you were at pains to show the important difference were genetic. I doubt that anyone could dispute that differences among groups "cause numerous amounts of problems", especially when they're first encountered. The soloutions are : (1) to withdraw into self-contained enclaves, thereby perpetuating the differences; or (2) to try strategies to overcome the differences. Back in the 1950s, "separate but equal" was the buzzword of the segregationists. Problem was, it was a lie. The separate facilities were always unequal, black schools being downright inferior. Blacks had no choice about where they lived. They were brought over here on slave ships to work white farms. Neither did Native Americans. They were removed from choice lands and dumped wherever whites wanted to dump them.

    Religious differences were a source of slaughter back in the sixteenth century. They didn't cease to be such because one or another side gave up their religion, but because both sides came to be aware that on-going violence was making life unbearable for all. Catholics and Protestants used to kill each other on sight. They got over it, and now they're next door neighbors, and for the most part think nothing of it. The United States has made enormous strides as a melting pot, integrating diverse peoples into a nation. We have a long way to go, but it's worth continuing the struggle. Here in Red State Oklahoma, I see many more interracial couples, married and unmarried, than I ever possible. Our first priority should be to get rid of politicians like Trump who feed on difference, and defeat the political party that supports him.
     
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    Perhaps the hate crime won't stick but vandalism, and possession of tools to commit vandalism or graffiti.are clearly illustrated in the video -
     
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    I’m going to hold off on comment until we get a better picture of what really happened because this can’t be right.

    A Black Man Says He Was the Victim of an ‘Attempted Lynching’

    On the Fourth of July, Vauhxx Booker and his friends planned an outing to Lake Monroe, a scenic reservoir located just outside Bloomington, Indiana,
    to view the lunar eclipse.

    But on their way into the lake in a heavily wooded area, Booker, 36, says five belligerent white men attempted to lynch him.

    Booker says the men accused him and his friends of trespassing on private property and threatened to “get a noose.” In video footage of the incident, Booker can be seen on his hands and knees,
    being pinned against a tree by multiple people who are also flipping off the onlookers who are filming. “Stop! Let him go!” bystanders can be heard pleading.
     
  19. Tishomingo

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    I'm wondering. Does Gloomy live here in the good old USA? He says he's European. Does that mean descent or actual residence? The problems of Europe and the phenomenon of Euro-nationalism are to some extent unique, although there are parallels to U.S. developments. In US parlance, Gloomy would be a segregationist, and that seems like trying to turn back the clock 70 years, although that's what the AltRight is into. When he says "Council of Conservative Citizens is not a white supremacy group and is more of a white nationalistic/white separatist group", he's referring to a direct successor to the segregationist white citizens councils of the Southern U.S., which did everything in their power to get around the court rulings on integration. Most observers think of segregationists as racists and white supremacists, despite the denial. Dylan Roof, the mass murder responsible for the Charleston church shootings in 2015, credited the CCC as a major influence on his life.
     
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    If racism is so prevalent in modern society, why does Jussie and Bubba have to stage fake hate crimes?
     

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